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Judge Won’t Issue ‘Global Protection Order’

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Hadi Matar is escorted to his seat Friday in Chautauqua County Court. Photo by Gregory Bacon

MAYVILLE — Although some names may be withheld from the New Jersey resident accused of stabbing famed author Salman Rushdie a month ago, it’s unlikely all the names will be.

On Friday, Hadi Matar was back in Chautauqua County Court. District Attorney Jason Schmidt had previously requested a protection order be in place for witnesses in the trial for Matar. That order would prevent Matar knowing the names of the individuals who will be testifying until just before the trial commences.

Schmidt said Friday that he is still going through the more than 30,000 pieces of evidence and hasn’t identified everyone who would be needed for the prosecution. “We need that protective order first and then we can know in what matter we can disclose what we have,” he said.

But even so, Foley said he isn’t going to issue a protection order for everyone. “I’m not going to enter a global protective order, saying every witness in the world that’s potentially going to be called in this case isn’t going to be disclosed to Mr. Matar. I don’t think that’s appropriate,” he said.

Before making that statement, Foley did meet privately in chambers with Schmidt and Matar’s attorney, Public Defender Nathaniel Barone.

Earlier in the week, Schmidt said that he is concerned about the fatwa that was issued in 1989 and the $3 million bounty on Rushdie’s life, saying that bounty has not been lifted and could still be used by criminals who want to protect Matar.

Barone argued that the prosecution has shown no evidence for this possibility. “This is based on speculation, nothing more. It’s pure conjecture,” he said.

In court, Foley had said that he wanted specifics as to why the prosecution should be permitted to withhold the names and details as to why exposing their names could lead to them being threatened or harmed.

For now, he ordered the prosecution to give names of potential witnesses to Matar’s attorneys, but the attorneys are not permitted to share that information with their client.

Foley had Matar stand and explained to him his temporary decision. Matar said he understood and sat back down once told to do so by the judge.

Foley has called for a hearing on Wednesday afternoon. At that time, he said he will hear arguments from Schmidt as to why specific witnesses’ names should be withheld from Matar.

Schmidt has also asked for a 70-day extension to provide the defense the evidence to be used in the case. Foley is expected to make a decision on that on Wednesday as well.

Schmidt further discussed the need for the extension in court Friday.

He said they keep their information for court cases on a cloud based system, like other district attorney offices across the state. Schmidt noted that he has so much information “it’s too large to fit on the system.”

Normally, Schmidt said, they would have 50 and in an extreme case, up to 100 pieces of evidence to review and disclose to the defense. This 30,000 pieces of evidence is far more than anything they’ve ever dealt with.

Barone responded, saying they still protest the extension, adding they need time to go through the materials as well.

Foley said he doesn’t believe he can order the prosecution to start turning things over now. He added that if the defense wants additional time to review the materials after being presented them by the prosecution, he would be open to holding a hearing on that matter.

After court, Barone said he was happy with what transpired Friday.

He noted that he provided to the judge a recent court case dealing with the same issues. “What I argued, and what this particular case indicated, was that in order for a defense counsel to meaningfully participate in any type of hearing regarding protection order, we need to know what they’re talking about. We need that information ahead of time to take a look at it,” he said.

Schmidt said he was not surprised about having to give Matar’s legal team the names. “There is already a gag order in place preventing these disclosures to the outside world. This development is part of the process which we began when we filed our motion and is not unanticipated. We will be ready to proceed on Wednesday,” he said.

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