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Dear Senator Young And Assemblyman Goodell:

July 27, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: Hunting is important to sportsmen and sportswomen in Chautauqua County....

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Jul-31-13 5:52 PM

We've heard that the legislation was placed on the governor's desk on June 23rd, but has anyone actually seen a report as to the governor's disposition of it? I've not found a single online reference to it subsequent to the June 23rd action. Anyway I called DEC law enforcement in Buffalo today for an answer. The 1st Encon Police officer I spoke with didn't know. He then got back to me to confirm that the gov did sign the law. And the gun season starts Nov 16th, NOT the 1st as HenryH suggests.

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Jul-29-13 4:11 PM

HenryH, What statistical evidence do you cite wherein the introduction of center fire rifles during the past decade in formerly "slug gun" only areas has resulted in an increase in hunting related accidents.

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Jul-29-13 8:56 AM

50s, that sounds like a threat. You are not saying you would cause bodily harm are you? While I find your dimwit obstructive to valuable exchanges, I'd never wish death upon you.

I do wish for you to find the mental power to critically review your positions. You pander to a like-minded audience which makes you feel better about yourself using your lowbrow attacks. I'm sure you enjoy seeing the 'agree' number next to your flippant responses.

In the end, I know that you probably are not comfortable in your own skin. I do hope you'll grow in your ability to articulate your position. Even if I don't agree with it, at least if you can articulate it, you'd get a modicum of respect.

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Jul-29-13 8:47 AM

KCW, happy to discuss ethical bow hunting and unethical bow hunting. I'll extend that to black power as well as other less advanced weapons. If you care to discuss, by all means put forth your thesis.

In regards to the TEA Party, I did not expand scope. I simply stated that this letter is yet another misdirection technique in which the real issue is not the one written about.

So KCW, happy to discuss either vein. My distrust of the TEA Party is well known. I am a libertarian and find myself offended at how the TEA Party negatively impacts the libertarian position.

In regards to weapons, you should own a high powered rifle, if you wish, but not take it on 1 November due to the risks it brings to others. There is an ethical line and not a legal line in my opinion.

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Jul-28-13 9:18 AM

carlaw, if HenryH had restricted his comments to that of the Tea Party involvement/interest in what would normally be viewed as generally non partisan(Frankly, I thought it curious myself) issue there would have been little debate. But he couldn't just leave it there, could he? He's the one that chose to venture FAR outside that parameter; and the result is that the discussions herein dealt almost totally with issues OTHER than the Tea Party, subjects brought up first only by HenryH himself!

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Jul-28-13 8:37 AM

I well understand why you wouldn't want to discuss the dark, nitty gritty side of archery hunting HenryH. Sort of a "people who live in glass houses" thing, isn't it?

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Jul-28-13 3:55 AM

Henry is not antigun. He is anti Tea party and entitled to that opinion. Why would anyone care?

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Jul-28-13 3:50 AM

KCW, you have my response. A bow takes far more skill than a firearm.

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Jul-28-13 3:48 AM

Brent, I agree that if you go bow hunting with all the scent on and have spent the time to learn the patterns the deer will walk right up to you. For sport, I advocate that stalking without prior spotting is 'sport'. I am not a fan of treestands and I have a personal rule of having to be within 35 yards to release.

Using your argument, that is a strong position for not using long weapons as it will increase the risks to those in the woods. I really do not want people shooting down these valley runs.

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Jul-28-13 3:42 AM

Oh 50s, your school yard retort has become so standardized. Heck, I should just write your response for you in my response to save us all time. It would be great if you might get more creative in your responses but I know I'm really hoping for more than your existing competencies probably allow.

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Jul-28-13 3:38 AM

Loonie, your reading comprehension fails you yet again. Who in this conversation is anti-gun? You really need to take up those literacy classes like we discussed before.

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Jul-27-13 8:13 PM

I have hunted for many decades with gun and archery (recurve and compound), my own opinion is that it is the easiest way to bag a deer by far is archery. The deer dont know you are there, my farthest shot is 18 yrs, standing shot. Never missed.. Was recovered within 50 yds.

On the orther hand, during gun season, the deer (many times) was running like mad through brush, trees, etc, not easy to bag..

The fact that the tea party persons are thankful in this letter (cherished American Bros and Sisters, along with all the rest of us) means nothing to us who respect all Americans...

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Jul-27-13 7:37 PM

"Besides, poking animals with sticks is not a sport." I repeatedly wrestled with the thought of bringing up the unspoken nitty gritty that goes with slinging those razor pointed little spears, but I didn't see any upside in doing so in a public forum. But seeing as the matter has now been broached; what's your take on that issue HenryH, being such a sporting man and all?

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Jul-27-13 5:14 PM

Onlyh HH could use all those words in his 2:35 post and say nothing a person without his ego up his ass could say in one sentence. Besides, poking live animals with sharp sticks is not a sport.

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Jul-27-13 3:31 PM

KCW, I have not nor am I implying anything which you have written at 3:20pm.

I am being very overt. My position is: 1. All weapons should be owned. 2. Not all weapons should be used for hunting in Chautauqua County. 3. This article and the TEA Party movement could careless about hunting. Instead, they wish to create an issue out of local laws which make sense due to the topography. 4. My position is that rifles reduce the sport and increase the likelihood for unintended consequences. 5. I think rifles are a lazy way of hunting deer.

I accept that a person who wish to break the law will break the law. I am in no way seeking to restrict gun ownership.

Simply put, the TEA Party per the Author's letter, are celebrating the change in a law for reasons beyond hunting.

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Jul-27-13 3:20 PM

HenryH., Are you implying that the legalization of the use of centerfire rifles during the gun portion of the big game season will translate into an increase in year round illegal poaching? There've always been plenty of rifles at hand, just like yours for example, suitable for illegal purposes, but only if the hands that hold them have such intent. Do you somehow believe that the guy/gal that formerly used a slug gun would now be more inclined to engage in an illegal activity because they now use a rifle? You do understand that there are people who will assert that if you aren't using a firearm for lawful hunting purposes, then you have no legitimate need of it.

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Jul-27-13 2:55 PM

Monkey, you are right. Hope my wife and boyfriend does not read the comment thread when that happens. *A bit of humor of course* -- 50s makes me sad and I have found with him and the others in the Peanut Gallery, it is not worth spending much time in setting out an argument for the very reason you have highlighted. The retorts tend to be out of ignorance and backed with very little substance. In a county that has such wonderful bastions of culture such as Chautauqua Institution, SUNY Fredonia and our various nature education programs, we continue to champion people who spout ignorant rhetoric. There is a core of people (or maybe just a couple of persons with a few PJ accounts) who spend a lot of time evangelizing their message of close-mindedness and uneducated viewpoints.

I think most simply ignore engaging on the PJ for this very fact. I continue to do it for the kick and giggle I get out of seeing how the non sequitur are strung together.

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Jul-27-13 2:35 PM

50s, I know I used some concise language to articulate my point which exceeds your ability to comprehend but I'm hopeful that if you commit yourself to using the dictionary in the library, you'll find a way to understand instead of retorting in an obtuse manner negating any argument. I know, I'm hoping for too much.

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Jul-27-13 2:32 PM

Loonie and Doggie, it is your type that tend to do the bait and shoot. People who think very highly of themselves and think they have the right to take what they want any time they want. Go up to the State Lands and listen outside of season. With regularity, you'll find evidence of baiting. However, I suspect that neither of you ever get out of your trailers.

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Jul-27-13 2:29 PM

KCW007, you are correct and I agree with you. We have a poaching problem and we all know of places and people that do baiting. Weapon of choice was always a high powered rifle.

I don't really car about the law. I care that a group such as the TEA Party see this as a victory for something greater than sport. I take my tags each year and tend to do with a bow. If I need to go to shotgun, I will. However, I'm not crazy about having rifles used with any regularity. I own a couple rifles and I want to own those weapons but do not see the victory in using them for deer season.

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Jul-27-13 2:22 PM

Busti, are you going to take your rifle and go home? *I mean that in the most condescending manner possible*

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Jul-27-13 10:31 AM

A "handful of gun loonies" CrazyCarl? Evidently you didn't noticed that most area hunters had converted to rifle use by the end of the 2012 season (the second year where they were allowed in the county). That conversion rate has been typical of the other areas counties the southern tier were rifle use has been phased in over the past eight to ten years. That's a pretty big "handful" of people! Oh, and by the way, the overall hunting related accident rate has actually gone DOWN in those areas where rifles have recently been permitted.

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Jul-27-13 8:48 AM

HenryH, What are you talking about? "Bait and shoot" for big game (almost any game for that matter) is illegal. Why would you even suggest it? Please explain your theory as to how the use of center fire rifles during the firearm portion of the deer might possibly cost the county money, as opposed to using shotgun slugs? While a great many shotgun users reload with "shot" for trap/skeet and small game hunting, it is an extreme rarity to find one that rolls his own slugs. On the other hand there are in fact a large % of centerfire rifle users that reload their own ammo for both target and hunting, as to do handgun shooters. Are you referring to sales tax? Yes, it's historically been true that it cost somewhat less to reload than to buy factory ammo, but reloaders shoot far more (buy far more components) than do people who only buy factory ammo.

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Jul-27-13 8:31 AM

Another subject HH is completely unfamiliar with, but must practice his language skills while proving his ignorance.

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Jul-27-13 8:20 AM

Must be an extremely slow news week at the PJ, all I see is thank you this and thank you that. I've yet to see another paper do this, except in the classifieds section.

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