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Progressives, Conservatives Must Find Common Ground

March 9, 2014

e rhetoric between progressives and conservatives here in America has been vitriolic at times. Name-calling and demeaning insults are common when the two views come within close proximity....

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50s4ever

Mar-18-14 8:16 PM

I think you're stuck in a "who's on first" dimension.

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50s4ever

Mar-18-14 8:15 PM

You have serious comprehension problems David. It's like you were born that way, or hard wired to the left, or it's COGNITIVE DISSONANCE..

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DavidVA

Mar-18-14 2:34 PM

50s wrote, "So if a conservative makes an observation of cognitive dissonance, it's opinion, but for you it's fact? Right. That's what makes you guys so believable."

OK, give me a fact that conflicts with my opinion, and we'll see.

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50s4ever

Mar-14-14 11:54 PM

So if a conservative makes an observation of cognitive dissonance, it's opinion, but for you it's fact? Right. That's what makes you guys so believable.

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DavidVA

Mar-11-14 3:04 PM

Sorry, misattributed the quote in my last post to Blackwatch. It was actually RLMorrison.

FWIW, members of my family served in the Blackwatch.

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DavidVA

Mar-11-14 3:00 PM

Blackwatch wrote, "DavidVA--How curious. I have the same observation of the LW. There are lots of examples, but the most consistent is you constantly crow that you are the vast majority, and morally as well as intellectually superior."

Those are opinions, not facts. Yes, I think the facts have a liberal bias, but that's also an opinion. But momcat53 actually quoted a person directly involved in a meeting about the meeting itself, and the RW Megaphone immediately yelled, liberal bias! What made it weirder, the person quoted was Newt Gingrich, RW demigod.

... and that was my point.

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Blackwatch

Mar-11-14 9:42 AM

No such thing as progressive conservatives.

Conservatives stand for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness knowing that we all have inalienable rights given to us by our Creator.

We live by a code, a Moral, Ethical and Legal code. we must not, no we will not break the laws of God that all life is a gift and people have the right to live in peace and to be left alone.

There are communities of people seeking to be justified by the Christian Conservatives so much so that the community that freely gives them the rights to express themselves are attacking Christians to see if they will smash their moral compass and give up their God.

So you see, you can face God's wrath, you can steal our words but you will never shake our foundation or call us progressives...

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RLMorrison

Mar-10-14 5:19 PM

DavidVA--How curious. I have the same observation of the LW. There are lots of examples, but the most consistent is you constantly crow that you are the vast majority, and morally as well as intellectually superior.

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DavidVA

Mar-10-14 3:24 PM

To momcat53:

Cognitive dissonance is an inborn human trait. We tend to believe things based on our worldview, and can be totally immune to counter evidence, no matter how unassailable. It's who we are ... all of us.

Then again, some are more prone to being dominated by that type of non-thinking than others. I've found the RW to be almost totally submissive of even the most obvious facts, if they disagree with their strongly hedl beliefs.

It's best to keep that in mind.

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DavidVA

Mar-10-14 3:07 PM

@apologeticsnow:

Private power can only be limited by greater public power. Of course, private power will try to usurp public power when it can, but eliminating it will only guarantee that private power is unassailable.

Government is broken, but it's also necessary. It can be fixed, and will be at some point. But neutering it is not a solution to anything.

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carlaw

Mar-10-14 11:24 AM

Oh for Gosh sakes it is a Constitutional Republic! My third grader granddaughter knows this. What is wrong with you people?

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momcat53

Mar-10-14 10:07 AM

You did, you stubborn curmudgeon. :)

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50s4ever

Mar-10-14 9:02 AM

momcat look it up and see which of us slept through civics class.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 7:47 PM

I think, looking back over those administrations from my position of old ladyship, what actually happened in any of them was probably quite different from what we were actually told. The country is too big. The problems are too big for personalities to solve. I don't jump on anybody's bandwagon. I prefer to look at problems analytically and figure out the possible solutions. And then work on those solutions to the extent that I as a citizen am able to. I don't think we're going to be doomed or saved by any one rockstar politician. And the mean and biased rhetoric the media feeds us FROM BOTH ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM doesn't help us either, because it just turns people snarling against each other instead of actually encouraging them to work for the good of their communities.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 7:11 PM

We could probably agree on a lot of things if you'd stop parroting right wing talking points and just speak from your own experience.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 7:03 PM

So you don't like Obama, I get that. I don't like any politician. I don't think any of them are doing their jobs because they refuse to work together for the good of the people of this country. Which was the point of this oped.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 6:36 PM

If you don't consider the words of the actual participants at the meeting as "proof," then you're not interested in facts. Somehow I doubt you're as skeptical about the information you get from second and third hand opinions about what "lefties" do, think, and believe. Which means you'll fight tooth and nail to defend what you believe, whether it has any factual basis or not, simply because it's what you WANT to believe. How can I argue with such genius?

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 6:18 PM

I didn't say anything about MSNBC. I said Newt Gingrich.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 5:37 PM

50's, you must have slept through civics class.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 5:37 PM

You should read more, loneriderrr. There's been a book written about it, as well as plenty of print and electronic media. You can even find a YouTube video of Gingrich talking about it.

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50s4ever

Mar-09-14 5:36 PM

THEY HAD TO HAVE ID TO JOIN THE PROTEST AGAINST HAVING AN ID. Now how ridiculous is that?

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50s4ever

Mar-09-14 5:35 PM

momcat we never had a democracy. That would give majority rule, and you people would lose.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 4:56 PM

As for "my way or the highway," what do you have to say about the dinner after the 2008 election where attendees hashed out a plan to repeatedly block Obama over the next 4 years so he would not be re-elected in 2012? Attending the dinner were House members Eric Cantor, Jeb Hensarling, Pete Hoekstra, Dan Lungren, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan and Pete Sessions. From the Senate were Tom Coburn, Bob Corker, Jim DeMint, John Ensign and Jon Kyl. Others present were former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and the political strategist Frank Luntz, who organized the dinner and sent out the invitations. Hmmm.

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momcat53

Mar-09-14 4:48 PM

Too much hate from the left? Will you just listen to yourselves?

Also, our government is a democratic republic, so yes, we are supposed to have democracy here, but it's been sold to the highest bidders.

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apologeticsnow

Mar-09-14 1:41 PM

The author mentions America as a democracy more than once. Does he not know that no where in the Constituion is this government referred to as a democracy? Also, if he wants the special interests big business out of government, it won't happen until big goverment is ended. Big business lives off big government and big unions are the same (i.e. NEA). It starts not with regulating business, but with downsizing and restricting gov't substantially.

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