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Where’s The Money?

Schools Critical Of Teacher Bonus Pay Incentives Under APPR

January 19, 2014

Few would argue that teachers should be recognized for the work they do, but area school leaders say incentivizing teachers with performance-based bonus pay may not be the best way to do tha....

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Regelski

Jan-20-14 1:55 PM

Teachers are not, or should not be, factory workers on an assembly line, measured by the quantity of identical widgets they produce. Teaching is a profession, and professionals need to be empowered to make professional judgments, as doctors do (with the same life consequences). People publicly air no complaints about their doctors, but everyone is an expert on education--presumably because they've been through the factory. FACT: countries where teachers are respected (mainly the Orient, Canada, and the Baltic States) do well for the children of those countries as measured on international comparison tests. Now the Tearepublicans are opposing early childhood education, even thought the FACT is that countries that have robust programs for pre-schoolers do immeasurably better on international metrics than those without--namely the US (below average). Not only are the Teapublicans anti-women, they are anti-science and anti-education. Their only concern is school taxes (selfishly).

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WilliamBaroo

Jan-20-14 11:36 AM

Madman-get your facts straight before you spout off. Tenure has never meant that a teacher cannot be fired for not doing their job. It means that the district has to have sufficient evidence and follow a certain procedure for removing a teacher. They can't just come in and say "I have a niece graduating college with your degree, so you're fired and I can hire her (which can happen if a teacher isn't tenured). It means there is a certain amount of protection, but it is not and has never been absolute. 2 tenured teachers just got fired in Clymer. Usually the administration never follows through with the procedure because it can be expensive to fire a teacher, and then they have to go and find a replacement too.

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Pipelilner

Jan-20-14 9:54 AM

Is Cuomo's hollow without merit proposal on a $20K teacher bonus hot air or idiocy? Sherman's principal is correct. Who's gonna pay? As a man, Cuomo needs to recognize his limitations. In New York State, the voters need to take pause before they elect blithering idiots to leadership positions in state office.

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madman

Jan-20-14 9:16 AM

carlaw, it is not the teachers job to be the parent. The parents are the ones that need a course on parenting. Sit in on a class some day and see what I mean. You want to give a teacher an incentive to be a good teacher, then get rid of the nonsense idea of tenure. Without the safety net of not being able to get fired for being a lousy teacher, perhaps some will take their jobs more serious. I happen to believe the majority of teachers want to do a good job and do. It is the 15-20% of bad teachers that give the rest a bad name.

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carlaw

Jan-20-14 2:39 AM

Our teachers need an improvement in parenting. Parents who are highly effective have the high achieving children but there are less and less of them. Our governor, like our president has created the Welfare State. Super highly effective teaching cannot change that. Step one: reform welfare.

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Local14701

Jan-19-14 10:38 PM

Pile this crap on top of his promise of free tuition to the top 10% of the class if they promise to work in NY for a few years....what a hack

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WilliamBaroo

Jan-19-14 3:31 PM

First, this is just political rhetoric-there is no way the governor can come up with that much money. Last year, 49% of teachers STATEWIDE were rated as highly effective. Second, the union would never stand for merit pay bases on an evaluation system that is so arbitrary as the one in place. I know a teacher in Jamestown who was rated as "effective" based on the target goals that were set for him by his administration. If he took his same results to Southwestern with the targets that were set for them, he would have been highly effective, and this teacher had better results than the Southwestern teachers did anyway. The evaluation system is set up so that administrators can set unrealistic goals to make their teachers look bad, as is the case in Jamestown.

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geezer34

Jan-19-14 1:41 PM

Really? Give $20,000.00 to those that already only work less than 180 day a year?

I invite you to visit ****seethroughny**** to see what these people are already making.

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johnee

Jan-19-14 12:02 PM

How can 85 percent of teachers have the best rating? That just shows how flawed the evaluation system is, no way should anymore then 49 percent be rated the best. This rating system just shows how little administrators expect from teachers.

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randomthinker

Jan-19-14 9:09 AM

Cuomo is pitching this because he knows the teacher's union is opposed to him - since he cut education funding by $1,500,000,000 in his first year of governor and has not restored it to 2009 levels since. Cuomo is trying to buy votes.

Secondly, the teacher's union has always opposed "merit pay".

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mrinbetween

Jan-19-14 8:40 AM

Another hair brained idea from the chief idiot prince-who-would-be-king.

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darkeagle

Jan-19-14 8:20 AM

Coumo is just trying to buy votes.he needs to be voted out along with chuck shummer

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lukecage

Jan-19-14 8:13 AM

The one thing this article fails to mention, which needs to be said, is that the Governor said the state would give the bonus to the most highly rated public school teachers WHEN THEY SERVE IN STRUGGLING SCHOOLS.

So what will be his definition of a struggling school and will any district in Chautauqua County even meet those conditions?

So even if this does go forward, it seems to me that only a few of the many "exceptional teachers" across the state will actually see the bonus - probably only those who work in Buffalo, Rochester, Binghamton and NYC.

Its an attempt to bribe better teachers to apply for positions in schools where no one currently wants to work. Plain and simple.

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Regulator

Jan-19-14 7:28 AM

What is the teachers union opinion on this? Under a union atmosphere all are treated equal. Sure they have step increases based on tenure, but you start giving some more money than others and I would think this would cause much strife among the union ranks.

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carlaw

Jan-19-14 5:53 AM

Obama promised so many things to get elected. It worked for him and it will work for Coumo. Giving other people's money away will work to get votes every time.

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Brianmel

Jan-19-14 5:28 AM

I hope this letter is a joke, $20,000. LOL

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