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Government Shutdown: A Teachable Moment

October 21, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: This is a teachable moment. Unfortunately all our political leaders are too busy insulting each other to get to the point....

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50s4ever

Nov-01-13 2:01 PM

Whatever color I am monkey...you aint.

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50s4ever

Oct-30-13 3:07 PM

Hmmmm...what color robes do we wear?

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EaglesWings

Oct-29-13 9:22 PM

Hmmm. A MonkeyBoy fan club? Can 50s be the prez? Can I start a Tea Party branch in Monkey's honor?

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50s4ever

Oct-29-13 10:05 AM

I suspect Monkey is not educated or even read on the subject. But progs with Doctorates spout the same ridiculous accusations, and get paid well for it. I have Blake, Douglass, DuBois, Lovejoy, Olmstead, and Lively. I'm no scholar, but I doubt he has read anything beyond Leonard Pitts.

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threestrikesout

Oct-28-13 9:54 AM

I think monkey is very mislead. Funny? - Yes, in a pitiful sort of way. I mean that in a respectable way because my opinion is that the majority of the Liberals can't see past their own nose. Kinda like the Pied Piper...the rats follow him to their doom...

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50s4ever

Oct-26-13 7:10 PM

Wow. Sammie can't you just feel the love here?

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Psychofux

Oct-26-13 5:10 PM

I see some idiot here still worries about Obama's birthplace. So the ACA web applications are having a problem. So what, there's still several months before the start. You do know there are other ways to apply that don't involve the internet, don't you? Or are you an idiot. People are trying to sign up in droves…and the deadline is still several months away. And to the idiots. This is not socialism, this is a social program. I'm sorry that you are too stupid to know the difference. Look up Socialism, look up fascism. gwbush and his administration was closer to fascism than any democrat has ever been to socialism.

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50s4ever

Oct-26-13 8:27 AM

David I just can't help noting you think fruit picking is slave labor. Even in slavery days in this country we didn't use slaves to pick fruit up here. You're showing your true colors. MONKEYBOY! LOOK!

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 8:37 PM

You know, you can sit around and blame, if it makes you feel better, but the facts are simple. You can take the bit in your own teeth and move the city, or you sit around and whine. No, the lazy slackers aren't the problem, and lower taxes won't make things work. If you want to move forward, you need to move out of your comfort zone and take risks. If you're OK where you are, don't complain.

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EaglesWings

Oct-24-13 5:45 PM

Careful, 50s. You said "Asian." Somebody might interpret that as a cunningly concealed racist remark.

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50s4ever

Oct-24-13 5:27 PM

Ever hears of low skills paying low wages? Both parties are guilty of making it profitable to send jobs overseas, or bring in labor. But if we didn't accept sloth in this country, we wouldn't have it. See an Asian country for proof.

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 3:32 PM

OK 50s, you've got me. How could I be so foolish. Of course Americans are willing to pick fruit for a living. Maybe not. It's close to slave labor, both in the work involved and the pay. Why is that even permitted?

And the STEM jobs, I know about those. Offer to hire an engineer at 2/3 what that job typically pays. Young engineers can't do that and pay their school loans, so no takers. Then, the employer asks for H1-B visas, to hire foreign workers ... which they have been getting. This is true whether the adminstartion is run by Republicans or Democrats.

It demotivates American students. Why work that hard and pay that much, and not see a solid future? So many just don't go. That's why we're at the bottom of the STEM list. We aren't graduating them. Companies are getting them as quasi-slave labor for a few years, then sending them on, and hiring new ones.

Does this sound like a long term solution to you?

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50s4ever

Oct-24-13 3:15 PM

Maybe because his brilliance was just media buzz controlled by his handlers?

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50s4ever

Oct-24-13 11:32 AM

Strange how we can be so far behind most countries in education, and import workers both hard labor and engineer types, yet David claims the opposite. We aren't a nation of productive industry anymore, we're a consumer nation and when half the country can only consume on the government paycheck every month, I say we are in big trouble. What? Cruz has legal citizenship by birth to an American citizen anywhere in the world. Make up your mind. And his Father was Cuban. A racist like Monkey should have known Hispanic covers a lot of nationalities. But he still hasn't figured out Africa. Spooner was far out, but getting closer every time a judge or politician uses the constitution for a beginner's guide.

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threestrikesout

Oct-24-13 11:11 AM

Again...I'm not a tea party member, nor do I have to be, to see that the blame lies at the door of the democrats and progressives for the way this country is today. All of these liberal commentators on here can use all of the intelligible quotes and references they like - but repeating the same jargon over and over doesn't change the facts!

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threestrikesout

Oct-24-13 11:06 AM

teapartyteapartytpteapartyteapartytptpteapartyteaparty the only ones on these boards promoting the tea party is the dems/libs/progressives. If for no tea party, who would the dems have to blame?

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 10:19 AM

@FedUpL8ly -

Give the birtherism thing a rest, will you? Your party has a rising star(?) with a lot shakier claims to the job than BHO, and the TPers are all atwitter. Shall we start in on Cruz?

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 10:14 AM

@loneriderrr1 -

Joe Manchin is about as much a DINO as any memeber of Congress, with the notable exception of Max Baucus. He is doing a good job of *** covering, and that's all.

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 10:08 AM

continuing -

Workforce participation rates are also declining. So the obvious follow-on is, what happens when labor ceases to have any pricing power at all, because it is no longer needed?

We are near that point now. Even highly educated STEM-H workers are finding it hard to get raises, and entry-level workers are not in demand like they once were. If the hottest fields are slowing, what about the rest?

So, assuming no changes, let's jump ahead a few decades, and see the entire world as a huge third world with a few extremely wealthy prople living perfect and separate lives. The economy is fully automated (we're close already) and the rest of us do what and live how?

Those are ths issues that bother me. For now, I would be happy to see a pro-capital bias be replaced with balance, and massive infrastructure projects to absorb the idle workforce. In the long term it's a band-aid, but we can't address the future today. Let's do as much as possible now.

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DavidVA

Oct-24-13 9:58 AM

@FedUpL8ly -

No, I have not read Lysander Spooner. I doubt he has anything to add of value in the current era, but I'm sure his writings are interesting.

I tend to keep my own counsel. Things that make no sense, I try to rationalize if I can. I do research when possible, but things that appear goofy tend to actually be goofy on full examination.

Take the economy today. We have seen huge increases in worker productivity at all levels, but no increase in compensation for that higher performance. Most of the increase is due to improved education, so the value is self generated, not provided by capital.

Given that, then the obvious question has to be, have we finally arrived at the point where labor will be needed less and less? In other words, were the Luddites right, just way ahead of their time?

It's telling that the last three recessions have seen large rises in unemployment that never decline to the previous state after the recovery is complete. (continued)

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50s4ever

Oct-24-13 9:33 AM

I remember Dennis Miller being on the dark side!

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FedUpL8ly

Oct-24-13 6:55 AM

In case some reading on this website are not familiar with David Horowitz, he is a nationally prominent guest lecturer on college campuses who has authored books exposing the leftist college faculties that predominate higher education in today's America. His parents were among the leading Communists of their generation. Naturally, growing up under this parental influence would result in Horowitz starting out as a Communist but after observing their consequences, he like his parents disowned their leftist policies. For exposing this leftist indoctrination of America's higher education, Mr. Horowitz is routinely attacked by those faculties and those who have fallen for their propaganda.

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FedUpL8ly

Oct-24-13 6:34 AM

Donkeyboy- Perhaps you can clear up a few troubling facts for me. Why, when a Democrat in Seattle ran Obama's Social Security number through E-verify, it came back that Obama was not eligible for employment in the USA. I've been told that the Hawaiian birth certificate presented by Obama had the present name of the hospital but the hospital actually printed out a different name when Obama's was issued. Perhaps you could explain how Obama (Barry S.) attended school in Indonesia that only admitted Muslims. Perhaps you could explain how Barack Obama traveled to Pakistan when anyone with a US passport was denied travel. Perhaps you can give a good reason why Barack Obama has spent millions on lawyers to keep his school (and other) records sealed from public disclosure. It would be good of you to clear all of these things up so that I could then feel as dismissive of any Obama criticism as yourself. Thanking you in advance for your thoughtful and reasoned response.

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FedUpL8ly

Oct-24-13 6:23 AM

Taking an opinion from someone who is several generations removed from a GOP President and using that as a shining example for one's point of view is the tactic of someone who's resorted to grasping at straws to support an argument lacking in enough substance to stand on it's own merit. Donkeyboy- Before you start casting aspersions at others about Obama's political roots, I would like to inform you that Obama's early forays into Chicago politics was aided and embraced by several political constituencies. One of these was the NEW Party. Obama will deny this and has tried very hard to scrub references to the New Party. You probably won't be able to find proof on the internet but there are extant newspaper publications that have been preserved that confirm New Party affiliation. The New Party was formed by Socialists and former members of the Communist Party.

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50s4ever

Oct-23-13 4:56 PM

David you're quite well read and have been around a bit. I'm a little disappointed you lean left. Have you read Lysander Spooner?

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