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Alternatives To God Sound Ridiculous

August 20, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: Chautauqua Institution was recently host to world-famous physicist Brian Greene, who claimed that current scientific thinking has led many scientists to now believe that the......

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apologeticsnow

Aug-26-13 9:25 PM

Yes, Maddog I do believe in Noah's ark, the miraclous conception and the Ten Commandments. Why are you irritated about it? From you perspective and worldview, why do you even care? So what if you think it is false. For your worldview, it doesn't even matter. I think that you are being quite inconsistent. What in your worldview says that believing a lie is a bad thing?

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RationalThinker

Aug-26-13 12:25 PM

I'd add to this, but I think Maddog80 pretty much said everything I would want to say, and quite eloquently. Well done sir. (Or madam, whichever the case may be.)

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Maddog80

Aug-25-13 1:16 PM

Do you honestly believe Noah built an ark and brought two of every animal on earth with him? Do you wholeheartedly believe that an angel came and impregnated Mary? Do you have no doubt at all that Moses didn't carve those commandments himself to help control a mod of angry fleeing Jewish slaves? If so, I hope you won't be too disappointed when your time is up and there are no pearly gates....and things just flash before your eyes and fade to black as your neurons fire randomly in the last second of your life. Hold on to that dream if it helps you sleep at night and best of luck avoiding reality.

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Maddog80

Aug-25-13 1:11 PM

Yep and as a kid it was easier to believe in the tooth fairy because you couldn't fathom your mom and dad sneaking into your room, stealing your tooth from under your pillow and replacing it with money. The tooth fairy was a simple, easy to understand idea for the mind of a 7 year old. Jules Vern wrote plenty of science fiction about traveling to the moon(ha, that is just silly) and he wrote about these crazy contraptions that let you drive under water...called a submarine(another entertaining idea but never going to happen). You base you ideas of the creation of the solar system on a book written over 2000 years ago at a time when if you had a headache, they would cut you to let the "bad blood" out. So I will close my replies on this topic with this. The fundamental ideas with religion have their hearts in the right place...do good, love everyone...etc. But to criticize the work of scientists because their theory tends to point to your story of god not being correct is just

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kawasakikid

Aug-25-13 10:12 AM

Actually, what isn't intelligent is the idea that the universe just "happened" by chance, that our solar system just "happened" and that intelligent life on earth just "happened." Fairy tale universes, parallel worlds that contain carbon copies of each of us only slightly different -- this is the stuff of science fiction, not science fact. God is the ONLY intelligent explanation for existence. The so-called multi-verse is grasping at straws. It's a pathetic attempt to avoid the obvious -- God. There is no multi-verse, it's just the pathetic, but unsuccessful, attempt to deny God his rightful place as Creator. At least the multi-verse theory is good for one thing -- comic relief from the real and serious stuff of science. It should be taken as comedy, nothing more.

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apologeticsnow

Aug-24-13 3:40 PM

peoplecrazy, those who believe in evolution have to accept it be faith as well so it is not a matter of science vs. evolution, but a matter of faith. It boils down to: do you believe in evolution or do you believe in creation?

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Maddog80

Aug-24-13 12:51 PM

Something doesn't mean you should just make up an answer. That is absurdity and ignorance.

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Maddog80

Aug-24-13 12:50 PM

Many scientist have disagreed with theories in the past that were later proven. That means nothing. It certainly is a proveable theory. Anyone with the slightest understanding of quantum mechanics can tell you that just because we live and observe a 4 dimensional world does not mean that only 4 dimensions exist. Saying that god is an intelligent answer to this is absurd. Yep, an old man, for fun, decided to make billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars many of which have planets orbiting them, for just a couple billion people on one small planet next a medium sized star in a not so special galaxy. And he did it in seven days. Yep that's intelligence. You were right about one thing though, it's easy. That's why when the Mayans had a bad crop, it was because god was mad so they cut the heart out of virgins. When the plague hit Europe it was because god was mad, seemed logical since they knew little about bacteria and how it spreads. Just because you don't understand

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kawasakikid

Aug-24-13 9:46 AM

I crack up when I hear people lecturing on what science is, what scientists do versus what religion is, what religion does. Science is many things, from Marx's so-called "scientific socialism" to Newton's Laws. Some of what is called "science" is bogus. Many scientists consider the multi-verse theory bogus. They claim it fails to meet a basic condition for true science -- falsifiability. In other words, it can't be shown true or false. It's just an idea. So criticism of the multi-verse theory is totally legit. One can criticize belief in divine design, but it's still the most intelligent explanation of why there is a universe. It's the easiest and best way to explain order out of chaos.

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Maddog80

Aug-24-13 9:17 AM

All science starts as a theory. Vaccines were a theory at one point, cell phones were a theory at one point, chemotherapy and tumor removals were a theory at one point. Yet I don't see religious folks who believe god has all the answers refusing to give their children vaccines or refusing cancer treatment or refusing to use cellphones (Amish excluded). It just seems hypocritical to accept some science and revoke others just because it is not yet commonplace or fully understood. As crazy said, science continues to inquire and advance while religion clings to their****made of sticks to hold back the flood of science and truth.

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peoplercrazy

Aug-24-13 8:53 AM

The problem with religious dogma is that it discourages intelligent inquiry. Ask a scientist about the origins of the universe and they'll tell you the current theory. Note the key word theory. Scientific Theories are based on EVIDENCE. Scientists admit they don't have all the answers and encourage inquiry in order to arrive at the correct, provable answer.

Religion, on the other hand, claims to have the answer to everything - god. It's a tidy package and very appealing to the intellectually and spiritually lazy. Questions and inquiry are discouraged. Why? Because there is no evidence. One must accept the bible on faith even though it is not backed by evidence and contains contradictory information. Looking too deep and asking to many questions exposes religion as mythology. It's ironic that those who mock Greene for "lack of evidence" state that god "just is". Not one is able to answer this question: Where did god come from?

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BudZilla

Aug-24-13 2:02 AM

Fiction.

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evos

Aug-23-13 3:09 PM

The truth is that the Lord our God did create the universe. The story of how is just that, a story that explains the “who” behind the universe period.

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evos

Aug-23-13 3:07 PM

As a Christian I am surprised by the lack of knowledge out there concerning creation and science, whether there are 2 universes or not is not the issue. Science is only reading the blue print of the universe. Neither Science nor man created the blue print! My God doesn't exist because science tells me so! Cause science does not have the capacity to answer the “who did it” question. Science can only deal with how something works or happened period.

The Bible is not a science book. The Bible doesn't speak of dinosaurs so are we to conclude the Bible is false or misleading in that it hasn’t answered the question of species that exist but were never mentioned in the Bible? No a better question is, can fiction tell truth? Do Aesop’s fables have a ring of truth around them? Do the parables of Christ have truth to them even though they are made up stories to explain a point of view? In much the same way the book of Genesis is full of truth. The truth being that the Lord our God

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Maddog80

Aug-22-13 8:53 PM

I do agree that the liberal view of a stereotypical conservative is a gun toting god fearing toothless hillbilly that barely passed 3rd grade or a fat old man in a suit sitting behind a mahogany desk pinching his secretaries rear end while telling her to increase production from the kids at the Guatemalan plant. That is why it's best to not even label yourself and just vote for those whose ideals and priorities best align with your own.

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Maddog80

Aug-22-13 5:34 PM

Believe it or not blues, I am a republican....I like guns and small government....this is not a political issue.

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BudZilla

Aug-22-13 8:34 AM

apologeticsnow (Rev. Mel) wants us to worship his sky fairy because the Bible says that the imaginary character is real. That is as pathetic as a Star Trek fan trying to get a PHD in the imaginary field of Hyperspace Physics.

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Maddog80

Aug-21-13 8:49 PM

I do not have disdain for religious folks, I am not running from anything and I have a slight fear of heights. You never see science outwardly protesting against religion, it is always religion that has fought against science. Why is that? What are religions running from or trying to hide? What are they scared of? My guess is.....answers. Sometimes It's easier to have a pretty little picture or scenario in your head than to face the truth. I am not saying that the multiverse theory is truth, it is theoretical physics not applied physics. Like it or not, religions are a business. They have structures to keep up, employees to pay(yes rev Mel and pastor shorts make a living at religion) and I believe that as science uncovers new findings that may go against religious beliefs, these people feel threatened and try to vilify science.

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apologeticsnow

Aug-21-13 8:39 PM

God has no beginning, therefore no creator. He always was is and will be. It is beyond the natural and finite. Yet, it doesn't fall into the logical fallacy of infinite regression like naturalism does. I think that Mr. Greene's views do exactly that. Where does this universe come from? It comes from another universe and so on and so forth with no beginning in sight.

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kawasakikid

Aug-21-13 8:31 PM

atheists have an Authority problem, that's why they get emotionally upset when the subject turns to God. I wish they would all read the book, "Why is there something rather than nothing at all," it's at the Prendergast Library. it deals with this subject from all angles, and yes, it includes a chapter on the case for divine design, as well as the multi-verse theory.

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StoneJarl

Aug-21-13 8:08 PM

I can only speak for myself. Why are those who don't believe what you believe angry all the time? Not sure that is the case. I have never threatened anyone with eternal damnation for not believing as I do. Why do I have distain for those who believe? Depends on what you believe. I have the highest respect for those who believe and practice peace and love, be it inspired by their religious beliefs or from personal introspection. What am I running from? A bench warrant in Bangkok. What scares me? A three foot midget with a cold nose.

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Maddog80

Aug-21-13 3:51 PM

God is an adorable little children's story, much like Santa Clause. If your a good boy or girl you get presents or go to a place like heaven. If your naughty, you get coal or go to hell. I too believed all of this stuff until I hit 8 years old and realized its all just a fallacy meant to curb bad behavior. Unfortunately some people refuse to grow up and behave in a morally responsible way because its the right thing to do and not because the bible tells you to.

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StoneJarl

Aug-21-13 2:44 PM

Curiously, 2 of 4 people disagree with Newton's second law of motion. Kind of negates a rational starting point for understanding. Given that, please explain what god is. Is it a bearded old watch maker, a multi-armed statue, an invisible pink unicorn, a flying spaghetti monster, a teapot orbiting the sun, or something else? If I don't know what I am looking for how can I find it? And if I do find it, how is that helpful?

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kawasakikid

Aug-21-13 8:58 AM

JamesDee, still waiting for your "alternative" to divine design or blind chance explanation. (enter crickets and silence)

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BudZilla

Aug-21-13 2:07 AM

What evidence, besides some corny "miracle" parlor tricks can you show to prove that Jesus was anything more than a charlatan?

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