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Lack Of Knowledge Of Guns Is The Problem

August 19, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: I would like to write this in response to the person who wrote the Open Letter to Senator Young. American citizens’ Second Amendment is not the problem....

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panthers1

Aug-25-13 8:28 PM

Thanks for your opinion Tyler. I am proud of you and Cathy Young for "sticking to your guns!"

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50s4ever

Aug-22-13 8:20 PM

Air guns had little use and success for a reason. No, it wasn't the military/industrial complex complicit with the chemical producers driving the market....maybe in one of your parallel universes.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-22-13 12:30 PM

We're on a gun thread and he's talking about food stamps. Wonders why no one will respond to him.

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Seadog

Aug-22-13 8:02 AM

Oy, Irony - wasn't the 70% increase in people using food stamps since Barry took office covered in the Democratic talking points??

"A record 47.8 million people participate in the program, as of December 2012 — a figure that translates into a 70 percent rise since 2008, The Journal says. Why"?

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-21-13 11:17 PM

The US colonies in 1800 were not "the world." Oy. If less than 1500 guns were produced and they were a European invention, it is likely that very few Americans heard of them - let alone slim to none chance any touched or used one.

Needless to say, digression is important at this point. The Girandoni was a minor, yet somewhat innovative blip. It did not create in the Founding Fathers some whir of excitement and it has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment of the US. To make the argument is laughable, then again...most of the people pushing it right now are always laughable.

LOL.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-21-13 11:15 PM

"You have exposed your lack of understanding on firearms and history. "

LOL, guess we'll go for another round...

"All of the firearms of that era were hard to use."

Ok? If you're trying to make an argument of relativity, that fails. It was harder to use. And no, many weapons today do not take much skill to use.

"They didn't have mass production in that era.."

1500 over FORTY years. Oy.

"At that time in history those 1500 rifles had the firepower of 30,000 rifles of the era."

What part of "they took a ton of work to use" did you miss? You have grossly overestimated the weapon.

"No one knows when they first arrived in America."

Seemingly the first documented case was 1804. Clearly, the weapon was not as amazing and popular as you think. It was not a new concept.

"To think such a weapon could have been in use 11 years without the world knowing about it..."

The US colonies in 1800 were not "the worl

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-21-13 11:07 PM

"Isn't it amazing how Ironyclapping "pops" in, lays an egg then disappears when confronted with the truth."

LOL, more Seadog humor! He tries to take the conversation on some far off tangent and whines when someone isn't on here 24/7 like him to walk the yellow brick road.

You get ignored for a reason. Maybe if we all did ignore you, you'd go away.

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bluesman

Aug-21-13 6:37 PM

Irony does not disappear because he's afraid of the truth. He's just out fighting crime. He even has a special crime fighting ring that has special powers.

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bluesman

Aug-21-13 6:21 PM

I thought it was the three black kids on the bus beating up the white kid that looked like his son. If he had one.

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bluesman

Aug-21-13 6:17 PM

Irony doesn't know anything about anything. He reads up a little between posts. But you can tell he hasn't spent much time in the real world.

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Seadog

Aug-21-13 6:12 PM

Isn't it amazing how Ironyclapping "pops" in, lays an egg then disappears when confronted with the truth.

Just like Barry O - Bengazhi, hiding, IRS, hiding, NSA, hiding, and Trayvon. Regarding Trayvon, he must not have heard about the two black kids that killed an Austrailan college student for the fun of it and because they were bored. I wonder if they look like his son if he had one?

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sonoma

Aug-21-13 5:40 PM

Irony--- You have exposed your lack of understanding on firearms and history.

1. All of the firearms of that era were hard to use.

2. All of the firearms of that era, and even today take a great deal of skill/practice to be proficient in their use.

3. they didn't have mass production in that era---1500 of a single type of weapon is a fair amount and a lot of work to produce. Also the population of the world was a bit smaller than today.

4. At that time in history those 1500 rifles had the firepower of 30,000 rifles of the era.

5. No one knows when they first arrived in America. The trip with Lewis and Clark made it famous here because it is believed it was what kept the Indians from overwhelming the explorers.

To think such a weapon could have been in use 11 years without the world knowing about it is "WELLL" you know. LOL

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Hammond

Aug-21-13 1:05 PM

The problem Tyler, is that you are doing something that gun-control advocates are unable to do: You've formed an opinion on something using your mind, facts, and logic, rather than emotion. It's touch to fight emotion, but keep it up.

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bluesman

Aug-21-13 12:39 PM

And Seadog, Irony will not answer your question but he will claim your question made him laugh. Happy go lucky Irony, that's what he is.

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bluesman

Aug-21-13 12:34 PM

seadog-I'm sure if you hang in there awhile you will here Jesse and Al put the blame right where it belongs. It's the Republicans fault for forcing black people to commit murder. A Dem from Ill. claimed it was the cops doing the killing and blaming black folks.

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Seadog

Aug-21-13 12:28 PM

"but enrollment in the food stamp program didn’t wane, as would be expected in an improving economy. Since 2008, it’s been on a steady rise, The Journal reports.

A record 47.8 million people participate in the program, as of December 2012 — a figure that translates into a 70 percent rise since 2008, The Journal says. Why"?

Good question Irony - WHY??? You loose again.

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Seadog

Aug-21-13 12:26 PM

By Cheryl K. Chumley The Washington Times Thursday, March 28, 2013 "Enrollment in the food stamp program — officially the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — has soared by 70 percent in the years since President Obama first took office, a new report finds.

The government said the recession ended in 2009, The Wall Street Journal reports, but enrollment in the food stamp program"

So Irony - any explaniation??????

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-21-13 9:23 AM

KCK: leave the analogies for Fedup.

*******ww w.de fensemedianetwork****/stories/the-girandoni- air-rifle/

Fragile, hard to use, took extraordinary skill to use, less than 1500 built, very few used in Austrian war, first documentation in the Americas was 1804.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-21-13 9:17 AM

"Gee, you mean like supporting illegal aliens, putting millions on food stamps, pandering to the Blacks and lying to them for their votes?"

LOL. I got a good laugh. Thanks again, Seadog. Lying to blacks for votes? That's the GOP heir-archal specialty. Millions on food stamps? Guess you think food stamps started in 2009, eh? Guess you haven't heard the repeat drum of moderate GOP'ers on how to court the hispanic population.

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Seadog

Aug-21-13 8:33 AM

"Teens charged after allegedly killing Australian student in Oklahoma for the 'fun of it'"

Just wondering where the OUTRAGE is from Jesse, Al and the rest of the race baiters. Two blacks, with a white driving, gun down an innocent white person out jogging and not a word!

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KCW007

Aug-20-13 8:45 PM

Let's see. The Girandoni repeater rifle was developed in 1779 and placed into service with the Austrian army in 1780. Then, some eleven years (11) later, the U.S. Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, was ratified in Dec. 1791. There is absolutely no doubt that samples of the Girandondi had made its way across the Atlantic by the time the Bill of Rights was ratified. The company which made them would have sent it's sales people all over the globe by that time. A number of the nation's founders were keenly aware of, and interested in advancements in military hardware, so there is no doubt that at least some of them were familiar with the Girandondi technology. Being prominent government officials in their own states, some of them might have even been given the opportunity to fire it during company sales pitches, as was a common practice.

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Seadog

Aug-20-13 7:22 PM

"The problem with the GOP and Conservatives is they support whatever selfishly helps them"

Gee, you mean like supporting illegal aliens, putting millions on food stamps, pandering to the Blacks and lying to them for their votes?

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-20-13 7:15 PM

1780*

Also, it was a fragile weapon.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-20-13 7:14 PM

Girandoni*

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-20-13 7:12 PM

"There was a semi-automatic rifle with a 20 round magazine capable of killing a man at over 150 yards in use 11 years BEFORE the 2nd amendment was ratified. The framers were well aware of advancements in weapons."

Nice try, sloppy. The Giradoni wasn't created until 1790. When was the 2nd Amendment ratified again?

Also, the Giradoni was European. It didn't cross the boat until later. Additionally, it took highly trained soldiers to employ and the work it took to shoot was beyond that which made it a very efficient weapon.

It was a minor event in history and the Founding Fathers were not "well-aware of it".

Nice try.

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