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My Challenge Still Stands

August 7, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: Ten years ago I wrote: ‘‘The New York State Geological Association meets at a different location every year. Its members are academics and geologists....

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HenryH

Aug-07-13 2:45 AM

Norm, regardless of which side of the question a person is on, the answer is there is no answer. For religion to work, one must simply believe and they are believing in the absolute power of God(s). If God(s) have absolute power, the Earth's state and the Earth's age have no connection.

You cannot go to worship with a science manual and understand scripture. Conversely, you cannot take a holy book to a lab and understand science. They are two mutually exclusive disciplines.

It is best to allow those that believe to do so and allows those who do not believe to do so. Offering a financial competition for proving something which cannot be proven only will not be fruitful.

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carlaw

Aug-07-13 5:39 AM

Sorry Norman, we love you but I have to go with HenryH on this one. Cheers Henry!

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-07-13 6:12 AM

What "science" accepts is always evolving. In the not two distant past, Norm would probably have ended up losing money. The common man, at the time the Bible was written, had no concept of large numbers and most people of faith would accept that as the reason for "seven days". At the same time, I find that extrapolating "evolution" from a few skeletal remains separated by millions of years as the be all and end all for explaining our present human life-form takes just as big a leap of faith as strict Creationists. Put me on the same side of the debate as HenryH and carlaw.

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Harold

Aug-07-13 6:57 AM

Norm, you fail to understand that God made the earth billions of years old on the day it was created. It is so hard for the very intelligent to understand. "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate"

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troglodyte

Aug-07-13 6:57 AM

If you want to believe transparent and silly creation myths "because my faith requires I believe them," I can respect that and I will leave you alone. If you say, "this is science, creation science, and you and the legitimate scientists are wrong," I will dispute you and call you a fool. This is what I have said all along.

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Harold

Aug-07-13 6:58 AM

God made the trees. On the day they were created they were one day old, however they were hundreds of feet tall as if they were a thousand years old.

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troglodyte

Aug-07-13 6:59 AM

"God made the earth billions of years old." And he calls me a fool. God made the universe 1/10 second ago with your memories already in place. No one can prove otherwise. Did you ever hear of Occam's Razor?

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southernman

Aug-07-13 7:40 AM

Acts 9:4, I Corinthians 1:18-31. Norman, God knew you were coming before He created you! ;) He blessed you with much wisdom; put it to good use, and do not deny Him. Why would Paul turn from the most cruel of enemies of Christians to the most faithful? After which, he authored much of the New Testament all the while suffering extreme torture. I am a friend of your friends, Norman. Trust me, you have many that pray for you to a God that you choose to not believe in. Saul was converted, and we believe that you can be too! Faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains! God Bless!

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Gemni5

Aug-07-13 7:47 AM

Oh boy......

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troglodyte

Aug-07-13 8:39 AM

To Creationists, its always about God. So don't call it science That's all I ask. I'll argue religion elsewhere.

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Howard

Aug-07-13 9:01 AM

I'll call that "Oh boy", Gemni5, and raise you 3 "Oh boys."

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Kramer

Aug-07-13 9:10 AM

It's always about God, because God is the one who created everything, even you Norm. I'm praying for you.

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southernman

Aug-07-13 10:16 AM

Norman: Points to ponder. 1. If life just evolved, why is it not still evolving? No new humans have evolved in recorded history, and no new humans have apes as grandparents either. 2. We live in an extremely complex universe - and it all just happened? 3. If the ocean was slightly more or less salty, what would happen? 4. If the sun was slightly closer or farther from the earth, what would happen? - and these are all just by coincidence? 5. These types of points can go on, but I am sure you get the idea. Science leaves many questions. God gives us answers in His word, The Holy Bible - the most complex and factual written recording of mankind, by far. Praying for you Norman...... :) .... Oh! And say hello to Uncle Cornelius and Aunt Zira for me!

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IThink

Aug-07-13 10:28 AM

Norm, your insights are lost on minds so simple that Pascal's Wager and Last Thursdayism are adequate to guide their world.

When they get sick, they ask all their friends on FaceBook to pray for them, but they head to the HOSPITAL and not to the CHURCH, SYNAGOGUE, or MOSQUE; this clearly indicates what they truly expect to fix the problem and which they tacitly understand is superstition.

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IThink

Aug-07-13 10:31 AM

southernman seems to imply that there is no life on Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune because of some divine plan that made Earth special just for human life.

I see that the overwhelming majority of the Earth is not fit for human life, and much of the habitable area is still a struggle for survival, so I must winder how loving the god that created the scenario truly is.

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IThink

Aug-07-13 10:32 AM

Seeing antibiotic resistant bacteria evolve in a short time shows me how much God loves bacteria. Bless their souls!

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IThink

Aug-07-13 10:36 AM

Psalm 84:11 "...No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly."

To which I say: POLIO VACCINE withheld by God for at least 6000 years, provided by SCIENCE not by RELIGION.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-07-13 10:37 AM

"So stop the breast-beating and exhibitionism..."

Ahahahahaha, how ironic.

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southernman

Aug-07-13 11:26 AM

Dear "IThink", I did not imply anything; thus please do not put words in my mouth, so to speak. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. I do not need nor ask for interpretation of my comments (all being said in a nice and polite manner). Of course, you are most welcome to your comments and point of view, but please let me state what is my point of view on a certain topic. i.e. - if you want to know how I feel about life on other planets, ask me, please do not take it upon yourself to assume. Assuming has some self pointing implications. Thank you.

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duckster

Aug-07-13 12:46 PM

Norm..I am not a creationist by any means..unlike sarah palin when I watch the Flintstones I do not think it is a documentary.. However...u need to realize that whe u hear stuff like "God created the earth in 6 days" a day in those metaphorical terms could be a million or so years.. hmm

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-07-13 1:19 PM

duckster- why do you choose to remain so ignorant? That whole bogus Creation thing concerning Sarah Palin was a hoax perpetrated by a loon at Evergreen College in Olympia, Washington State. That's what liberals do, they fabricate stories and try to rewrite history whenever and wherever they can do so. It's what greatly damaged the integrity of Wikipedia. It's what Obama did to past President's bios at the White House. Hopefully, someday you'll evolve beyond your*******thought processes. And, no, God will not do it for you for that is why He gave you "free will".

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FedUpL8ly

Aug-07-13 1:21 PM

I would have never imagined that "in bred" would have been a banned word.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Aug-07-13 1:53 PM

duckster - you struck a chord with FedUp on that one. He still hangs his Palin poster high above his bed.

What is interesting though (in the midst of his literal acceptance of your sarcastic comment and his ironic 'why do you remain so ignorant?' bit) is the fact that Palin is alleged to have believed that humans and dinosaurs roamed the Earth simultaneously.

Even moreso, a survey by the Texas Tribune found 3/10 Texans believe the same.

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nonfiction

Aug-07-13 1:56 PM

"I believed in the evidence for microevolution – that geologic and species change occurs incrementally over time. But I didn't believe in the theory that human beings – thinking, loving beings – originated from fish that sprouted legs and crawled out of the sea. Or that human beings began as single-celled organisms that developed into monkeys who eventually swung down from trees; I believed we came about through a random process, but were created by God."

"But I believe that God created us and also that He can create an evolutionary process that allows species to change and adapt."

-Sarah Palin, 'Going Rogue'

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nonfiction

Aug-07-13 1:59 PM

"Then you know that science proves evolution," (Steve Schmidt).

"Parts of evolution," (Palin)

-'Going Rogue'

Don't know if that really shows her stance but thats what she said in her book. Somewhere in the middle i'd say.

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