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Obamacare Jumps The Tracks

July 15, 2013

“Obamacare,” the White House version of socialized medicine for Americans, always was a train wreck about to happen. Already the law has jumped the tracks....

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-19-13 9:36 AM

The actual evidence has been posted by DavidA - who does research. Thank you. All the naysayers will now hate you, bask in it.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-19-13 9:35 AM

Right on, DavidA - I've been doing research on the new rates.

FedUp - Still claiming to have provided evidence, wasting everyone's time. No evidence presented, nonsensical posts follow. Same old, as expected...at least you are consistent. My animosity stems more towards the fact that you're a BS-artist. Even moreso, I am humored by the fact that you know it.

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-18-13 9:56 PM

Dear irony- perhaps your animosity stems from your not being able to recognize evidence when you read it. Hopefully your anger and frustration will lessen in proportion to a future increase in your recognition and comprehension of said evidence.

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-18-13 9:48 PM

All right Emelye, what large portions of Obamacare are already working? DavidVA, suppose the "expected" rate decrease comes to pass. Two things I question, where is the money coming from to subsidize the rate decrease or if there is no subsidy then I will be very interested to see the fine print in the NYS exchange's policy/policies.

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DavidVA

Jul-18-13 3:08 PM

In my last, you notice a string of *******. They get the usual treatment for the internet: Aitch Tee Tee Pee Colon Backslash Backslash, then enter the rest.

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DavidVA

Jul-18-13 3:05 PM

The one piece of real data we have is the estimate that insurance rates will drop 50% in NYS. Just replace <DOT> with a period, and read this article: *******www<DOT>nytimes<DOT>com/2013/07/17/health/health-plan-cost-for-new-yorkers-set-to-fall-50.html?_r=0

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brodys

Jul-17-13 6:06 PM

If obama thinks obamacare is so good why is it he does not have to have this insurance.

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brodys

Jul-17-13 6:05 PM

If obama thinks obamacare is so good why is it he does`t have to have this insurance.

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Emelye

Jul-17-13 2:55 PM

I also find it humorous when I see a Republican plan touted as "'Obamacare,' the White House version of socialized medicine for Americans" just because Mr Obama made it happen.

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Emelye

Jul-17-13 2:05 PM

Funny how this "news" item sounds a lot more like Republican propaganda than actual news. They try their best to condemn with the flimsiest excuse.

The program is admittedly huge and complex. Hiccups are bound to happen. It seems every time one happens the entire program is condemned by the president's enemies as unworkable, illegal and unconstitutional, despite the fact that large portions of it are already working, even though it hasn't been fully implemented yet and approval of the Supreme Court proved its constitutionality.

It just drives some people crazy that poor people are going to have half decent healthcare and might live a little bit longer and healthier lives, doesn't it?

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-17-13 7:53 AM

"onsequently, your devotion to Obamacare has no basis and for you to continue to advocate for its existence is to directly contradict your own metrics. You are indeed a confused individual."

The irony cracks me up. I've met many like you - you try to twist your way out of being accountable for your words. Another strawman, FedUp is quite the fiend for the illogical. I have no devotion for the ACA. I only have devotion for calling you out on your nonsense.

Get lost until you bring forth something other than anecdotes, strawmen, and hypotheticals.

Let it be repeated that FedUp has produced ZERO evidence to back up what he said.

What a waste of time. All the dumpster-grunts on the PJ site love it though.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-17-13 7:51 AM

"a very good indication of you knowing what you're talking about is your 300/5800 representing a 5%. You don't even say what your 5% stands for. Is it the compounded weekly increase?"

If you would have read my comment, it would have revealed to you the 5% is the difference between what the cost would be in 2016 due to the enacting of the ACA vs. no ACA.

"a very good indication of you knowing what you're talking about..."

...says the guy who used a source that wasn't actually the source to claim there will be a 100-200% increase where there won't be.

"You say that there is no evidence because it hasn't come to pass yet despite what intentions have been expressed."

The lack of logic is laughable. Fedup makes a claim, can't back it up, then builds a strawman claiming I say there is "no evidence". False, I ASKED for evidence, you hide from the answer...must be FedUp can't handle dealing with anything other than low-hanging fruit.

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patriot012

Jul-17-13 7:15 AM

Obama care was DOA from get go , was the nutz /power to be passed without reading, incompetence, all should be fired!!

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-17-13 2:54 AM

irony-- a very good indication of you knowing what you're talking about is your 300/5800 representing a 5%. You don't even say what your 5% stands for. Is it the compounded weekly increase? You say that there is no evidence because it hasn't come to pass yet despite what intentions have been expressed. By the same token, your guiding light, Barack Obama, has shown no evidence that any of Obamacare is worth the cost. Consequently, your devotion to Obamacare has no basis and for you to continue to advocate for its existence is to directly contradict your own metrics. You are indeed a confused individual.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-16-13 8:22 PM

Let's try again - does FedUp have any evidence of his claim that "young people won't be buying" and that they are going up "100-200%"?

Of course not. $300/$5800 is about 5%.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-16-13 8:21 PM

"nearly 1 out of 3 Americans between 18 and 30 do not believe that insurance will be worth the money it costs."

How is that evidence that young people won't buy it? Let's see what other "evidence" you have...

"Poll also shows that only 35% of the public supports Obamacare."

Not evidence.

"Healthy, young adults spend $854 a year on healthcare and Obamacare is projected to cost them approx. $5800 a year by actuarial society."

Not evidence they aren't going to buy it. As an aside, the CBO was the one who predicted that in 2016 it would be $5800, $300 more than if the ACA wasn't enacted. So they would have been projected to increase either way.

"Since young adults can now buy insurance for a couple of hundred dollars a month, do the math."

Under the ACA, I was estimated to pay approx. $200 for health insurance. More non-evidence.

No evidence was provided by FedUp. Who would have guessed?

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-16-13 10:27 AM

For a real dose of reality regarding the coming "train wreck", research the just released Empire State Manufacturing Survey. Looking very bad for New York but I suppose the $1 Billion that Obama is going to spend to advertise all the great things in Obamacare will be swallowed hook, line and sinker by irony--, duckster and others.

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Digger

Jul-16-13 8:54 AM

Didn't you all ask Gov. Cuomo and Senator Gilibrand about ObamaCare??

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MacKenzie

Jul-16-13 7:16 AM

Since when can the government dictate what doctor's fees will be? (rhetorical question) Since this lawless administration has been "transforming" - and hence, ruining - this country.

Obama is one of the most lawless Presidents ever, lies oozing from his lips every time he opens his mouth.

Duckster, I hope you are prepared for the healthcare you voted for and don't complain when you don't like what you are and are not getting from your health care provider.

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MacKenzie

Jul-16-13 7:12 AM

Obamacare=disaster, both economically and in the health care you will receive.

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-16-13 5:50 AM

Could be because HHS doesn't know because they have no idea but more likely that the Obama administration is trying to avoid the public finding out about the coming "rate shock". The GAO identified more than 100 "key activities" necessary to set up these federal Obamacare exchanges. The GAO said there is no way to know how far behind schedule the govt. is in these key activities because they're still writing the regulations. The 16 states setting up their own exchanges, on average, still have 85% of the work yet to do. Then we have the Obama administration dumping a memo over the 4th of July holiday that says there will be little or no verification done for those signing up for insurance. For the benefit of those who are clueless, that is a memo that says "Welcome illegal immigrants to Obamacare".

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FedUpL8ly

Jul-16-13 5:35 AM

irony--yap, June's Kaiser Family Foundation health tracking poll reports nearly 1 out of 3 Americans between 18 and 30 do not believe that insurance will be worth the money it costs. Poll also shows that only 35% of the public supports Obamacare. Healthy, young adults spend $854 a year on healthcare and Obamacare is projected to cost them approx. $5800 a year by actuarial society. Since young adults can now buy insurance for a couple of hundred dollars a month, do the math. Presently, 6% of hospital costs are written off as uncollectible and even relatively affluent families pay just 37% of their hospital bills in full according to a 2011 government study. Now consider that the mandate, which will not be enforced, is only a fraction of what the policy costs will be and you're a fool if you think anyone will pay for insurance. There are 34 different federal exchanges but HHS, in a May memo, said they are keeping premium policy rates a secret until September. Cont.)

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critix

Jul-16-13 12:26 AM

The USA well on the way to becoming 1 of the dumbest nations in history. Guaranteed if a presidential election was held today - masses would pull the handle for Barry O. again & again & again ........ beyond pathetic & clueless

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apologeticsnow

Jul-15-13 10:25 PM

When I heard the President say that everyone must play by the same rules, but gives one segment of the economy a one year reprieve and leaves the individuals pay up for the health exchanges this year, something rings very hollow in his words.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jul-15-13 10:01 PM

"There's already plenty of evidence that young people aren't going to buy insurance because their rates are going up by 100-200%."

Post some "evidence", please. Not anecdotes, not hypotheticals.

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