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Kudos To The Elimination Of Hispanic Navigator

June 27, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: Kudos to the elimination of the Hispanic navigator....

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BudZilla

Jun-27-13 1:15 AM

I hope the world is more considerate if Douglas should ever need help!

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Jamestownite

Jun-27-13 6:55 AM

The Hispanics get treated better than our own people do. My deaf uncle couldn't even get help with a sign language translator...and he speaks English.

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carlaw

Jun-27-13 7:49 AM

Time to blend into the melting pot not keep your self segregated.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jun-27-13 8:16 AM

"The Hispanics get treated better than our own people do."

This is exhibited...how? By the fact that the Hispanic Navigator was canned?

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 8:38 AM

ironyoozesfromyouryap - did you miss the post from Jamestownite at 6:55 a.m. as an example??

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50s4ever

Jun-27-13 9:08 AM

S.O.S. Pretending it's racism against Hispanics, when it's actually a language requirement they don't meet. If you went to Ecuador to work, and couldn't get hired because you didn't speak their language...would that be racist? We're such cowards.

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50s4ever

Jun-27-13 9:17 AM

Not only do they come here and insist on not learning our language, they insist on telling us what words and phrases of our own language we can't use. Gutless Americans allow it.

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duckster

Jun-27-13 10:08 AM

quando quierres ir al cine? por la tarde o por la noche?

me es iguall

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Larry1

Jun-27-13 10:38 AM

How difficult is it to learn "GIVE ME" in English?

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KittyCat

Jun-27-13 10:47 AM

All of the minorities get treated better than those of us who were born and raised here. They are given everything and do nothing but come here and sign up for help and they receive it the same day. I need help to get health insurance and they won't help me and I pay taxes and live here.

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DanNYC

Jun-27-13 12:21 PM

Spanish people ARE our people. Puerto Rico has been an American territory since 1898. We got it through VIOLENT CONQUEST. Same as the great Southwest. The Mexican War and Spanish American wars were wars of aggression and conquest. Spanish was, and is the native language in Puerto Rico. Yes, there are lots of Hispanic peope from other countries here, but the vast majority of them are INCREDIBLY hard working people. Maybe Chautauqua County has gotten the worst ones, but I doubt it. This is an OLD song about hate and ignorance.

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 12:52 PM

The Author and the comments on this post are a very poor reflection of our community. Until 50 years ago, English was but a minority language in Jamestown. The USA has no national language. If our community were on the southern border, you would speak Spanish. In Dearborn you'd speak Arabic. In Chicago you could speak Polish, Russian or Chinese. The list goes on.

Are these communities not American? Why must they learn English? Why don't you learn Spanish?

The bigotry that continues to be displayed from a narrow slice of our community is very sad to see and made worse when put into print.

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 1:52 PM

"Until 50 years ago, English was but a minority language in Jamestown"

I have no idea how old you are HenryH, but growing uo in the 50s and 60s, I can tell you flatly - YOU ARE WRONG. There were no "navigators", there were NO interuptors in the schools or offices and ENGLISH was the language of the city. Different neighborhoods may have had people speaking in ther native language, but that was NOT all over Jamestown.

"Why must they learn English? Why don't you learn Spanish"

TYPICAL lefty retoric. Why should I learn Spanish when 99% of the population speaks English?? Why should I learn Spanish, Arabic, Polish, Russian, Albanian, or Swahealy when 99% of the population speaks English?? Don't want to speak English, DON'T ask for freebies, translators, help, or anything else!

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 2:08 PM

Doggie, stop burning the cross in your front yard. In my family, Swedish was what was spoken. I know of many classmates which were similar with German and Italian. We used English as well in school. If you go to the Southside, there are still numerous homes owned by people whose first language is Italian and Swedish.

No one is saying they should not learn English. They will. They should not be required to learn English; that is my point.

You continue to show your ignorance regarding understanding of the political spectrum is woefully insufficient. Anyone with an understanding of the various platforms will see that my advocacy is clearly libertarian. Note, I am not advocating for government support of any program for any group. I'm am taking a stance again the bigotry that continues to be exemplified.

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 2:53 PM

"We used English as well in school"

Been in a school in Jamestown lately Henry? From you post I take it that WHEN you grew up, there wasn't any such thing as ESL? English as a second language should be re-named to EPL - ENGLISH as a PRIMARY LANGUAGE. "If you go to the Southside, there are still numerous homes owned by people whose first language is Italian and Swedis" Who cares?? The point is they worked for those homes and learned the language. They DID NOT expect those around them to learn Swedish or Italian. I think it's called conforming.

And as far as your cross burning comment, you can shove that right up your libetarian butt. You on the left have a nasty habit of labeling anyone that do not hold your beliefs a racist. Aren't "you people" supposed to be TOLERANT? I guess that "tolerance" ends where your beliefs begin!

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 3:03 PM

"No one is saying they should not learn English. They will. They should not be required to learn English; that is my point"

And Henry - if they want to receive benefits, find a job, and become part of society, they should be required to learn English; that is my point!

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50s4ever

Jun-27-13 6:15 PM

What would bald faced lying left brained libertarians do without "bigot" in their vocabulary. When's the last time you saw a cross burning tool? Why is it great the other countries (including Puerto Rico) have their own language and we shouldn't? BTW..PR has two..one is English.

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 6:45 PM

Ohhh ... 50s! Must be you failed American history at JHS? Tell me, who settled Florida? How about the Dakotas? Who founded what is now New York City?

America does not have a national language because nationality and language have no relationship. America is one of the youngest nations on Earth and we speak over 250 major languages within our population. English, which is a creole, became de facto the language of business because it was easy and many people who lived under the Commonwealth came to America in the 1800s thus making it an easy trading language. The same can be said for Swahili in East Africa or Hindi in India. Both are languages of convenience.

If you would get out of your dim bubble, you'd see you do not have anything to fear. Also, if you loved freedom, you would support people to be successful regardless of their language.

It is clear I hit a nerve with you as your hatred is just there, below the surface. You cannot hide it. We all see it. Call it what you wil

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 6:48 PM

Oh Doggie ... You must be a kissing cousin of 50s. Read my answer there.

They are part of society. Proportionately, they are as productive as any other ethnic group. They have the same rights to language education as any other group.

As with 50s, your hatred of people who are not like you is a plague to our culture. How about you volunteer with 50s to provide a 'native speaker' (the irony of that one is funny) workshops so those that wish can expand their English vocabulary.

Yeah, I thought so. You'd rather stand back and hate from a distance as it is easier for you that way.

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 7:35 PM

HenryH, how about this for an English lesson. You are a MORON. If you can't translate that into whatever language you speak, it means you are an (1) idiot, (2) fool, (3) lefty loon, or (4) totally brain dead. See, that was easy, no navigator needed.

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 7:39 PM

"they are as productive as any other ethnic group"

Have you lived here long Hank? If so, do you mind telling us where all those "productive" people work? Going to Social Services, grand theft, drug dealing, and burglary DON'T count.

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 8:31 PM

Doggie, I see you are using that dusty dictionary of yours which you rarely crack open. I'm pleased that you are trying to use the grey matter. There might be hope for you yet!

Just did a quick check, Doggie. The Police column here in the PJ is not dominated by Hispanic people. The Most Wanted list has only one Hispanic person. Seems they are law abiding so that part of your retort is false.

Let's look at the numbers! There are about 133,000 people in the County. 6.3% are Hispanic. That is about 21,100 as I know you don't like to do the math yourself. The County's Health Department says 6.5% of the population speaks a language other than English. Of that group, only 2.3% of the population speaks English 'less than very well'. And then, there are 2.4% of the population that are non-Spanish, Indo-European speakers.

Conclusion: Spanish speakers are no more prevalent in our County than speakers of other languages. Go look at it Doggie! See: Chautauqua CHA_2010-2013_final.pdf

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 8:38 PM

In regards to the work question, Doggie. As I go around our city, I see people of various ethnic backgrounds being productive. I see there are people of Hispanic, Black and Asian ethnicity working in our service sector. I know on Allen Street at the factories and up at Bush, there are people of various backgrounds which are working very hard.

Take off your glasses Doggie. Stop blaming a couple thousand people for a problem of which they are no more a cause that you are.

In closing, what new names do you have for me, Doggie? I'm betting you have exhausted your vocabulary. Give me your address and I'll send you a thesaurus to help you out as I would love for you to add a bit of flare and creativity. Surely, you have better than kindergarten insults.

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 9:09 PM

Back to the drawing board, Lone. You are not using a statical sample. You are very bluntly combining two fallacies: argumentum ad ignorantiam and statistics of small numbers.

Clearly, you will never make it as a researcher.

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Seadog

Jun-27-13 9:10 PM

HenryH, this was a good week, - Check it weekly. If you want to talk about proportions......And did you see the PJ yesterday "City Man Faces Burglary Charges". You want statistics, check the County Jail and see what the population in the jail is. I'll bet it is higher than 6.3% Hispanic to every other ethnic group.

Also, "Conclusion: Spanish speakers are no more prevalent in our County than speakers of other languages". Have you been to Walmart or Tops lately? I don't hear German, Swedish, Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Polish, or Albainian spoken there EVER, have you?

I have NEVER SAID all Hispanics are lazy, non- English speaking bums and don't work. However, I will say a vary large percentage of them in this area do not work or WANT TO OR DO LEARN English.

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