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Why Farmers Need Immigration Reform Now

June 23, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: For the first time in years, it is exciting to see real movement on immigration reform in Congress that could open the door for greater stability and growth on our family farm......

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Jamestownite

Jun-29-13 9:05 AM

Henry I think some people sit home on their rears and think we're all delusional because we experience the realities of life. Must be nice sitting at home being able to collect on the dime of those of us who do work - if one can truly find it that is - and critique others for doing it.

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Jamestownite

Jun-29-13 9:01 AM

Lonerr, you say there are jobs if we go out and look for them? Any job? Doctor, nurse, psychologist, psychiatrist, computer analyst, etc.? Care for me, one with no college experience in any of these fields to care for you?

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50s4ever

Jun-27-13 6:18 PM

They used to Henry. The ACLU beat the church groups into submission and all that help went down the drain. Now they have such small congregations, they can't keep up.

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Girlyman

Jun-27-13 5:04 PM

THE FARMERS ARE THE GOOFS THAT STARTED THE HISPANIC IMMIGRATION PROBLEM!

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HenryH

Jun-27-13 12:47 PM

Sorry Doggie, I don't speak Spanish.

50s, if people supported and helped each other, we would have a lot less pork in government.

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50s4ever

Jun-25-13 8:48 PM

With yap and HH who needs government?

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Seadog

Jun-25-13 3:19 PM

All I can say Henry is you are quite the charitable citizen. Perhaps you could volunteer to be the new "navigator"?

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HenryH

Jun-25-13 1:42 PM

Dog, a quick example; last summer I was made aware of a young woman and her children who were in a desperate situation. I had them stay in my spare room for a few weeks until a plan was made to address the needs of the children. Also, I have provided room in my property in an outbuilding (warm and clean) as well as board for periods over the past 12 years. I belong to an organization that gives charity when asked without expectation. As a libertarian, I understand it is my duty to help my fellow man and not expect the government, by default to do it. In NYS, to get WIC or other benefits needed by young mothers, it can take a couple of months. For people in that position, a warm meal and clean room means a lot.

Dog, I would encourage you not to be so judgemental. You assume people wish to wallow in poverty. Read the Outliers and you'll understand the challenges poverty and self-reliance.

I applaud your charity.

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Seadog

Jun-25-13 1:19 PM

"How about you, Doggie? Are you putting your money where your rhetoric thus spouts"?

As a matter of fact HenryH, I do. I do not support anyone THAT DOES NOT try and support themselves. That means not learning English, not trying to get an education, not looking for a job, and satisfied with holding their hands out for the freebies.

So HenryH - I answered your question now answer mine - have you opened your home up to the less fortunate? Free room, free meals, etc.?

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HenryH

Jun-25-13 8:40 AM

Doggie, I have done and will do again in the future. Charity is important to me. In addition, I support not for profits which provide direct need such as business clothes for women. How about you, Doggie? Are you putting your money where your rhetoric thus spouts?

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Seadog

Jun-24-13 7:29 PM

HenryH, maybe you should open your home to those less fortunate?

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HenryH

Jun-24-13 4:22 PM

FedUp, you speak like the people in this situation have a choice. Put away your whip and stop attacking those who have no control. I know of a half-dozen young parents in our community who have found themselves with minimal to no support system due to 1) being a single child and loosing their parent 2) having family relocate to another city and being unable to join them because lack of means 3) mental illness and poor health of those who would support them.

You call me smug because I have a pragmatic approach and give people the benefit of the doubt that they don't want to live in such a way?

I do hope you are not a church goer the way you are casting judgement on others, especially those less fortunate.

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-24-13 3:30 PM

Dear irony---, What you don't seem to understand is that people use the term welfare to encompass all of the current social benefit programs that by themselves provide more than $20K a year to the average family. Add the EIC and even part-time work to the equation and you do indeed have a middle-class income.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jun-24-13 8:37 AM

Replace "countless others have" with "you".

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jun-24-13 8:36 AM

"What I and seemingly others don't understand is why you don't hold that single mother accountable for either not relocating to a support system or to a better employment locale as countless others have done."

Countless others who clearly don't understand the significant complications of relocation for a single mother. Single mothers move AWAY from any support system if they move.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jun-24-13 8:35 AM

"The farmers would not need very many immigrants if the welfare benefits were not so middle-class lifestyle sustaining."

Huh? Welfare might be "free money" to some but it is FAR from middle class.

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FedUpL8ly

Jun-24-13 3:37 AM

HenryH, you use a single mother with no support system (family or friends) living in an area with poor job prospects and a lower wage scale than many areas of the country. You criticize others for lacking compassion to match yours which is just another smug way of congratulating yourself for believing you occupy a superior position on the evolutionary ladder. What I and seemingly others don't understand is why you don't hold that single mother accountable for either not relocating to a support system or to a better employment locale as countless others have done.

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MacKenzie

Jun-23-13 4:44 PM

Why work when you can collect? The farmers would not need very many immigrants if the welfare benefits were not so middle-class lifestyle sustaining.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Jun-23-13 4:31 PM

"as though unemployed natives are above doing such work..."

They can't set down the iphone long enough to work more than 30 minutes.

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50s4ever

Jun-23-13 1:32 PM

I like how all our poverty programs start at above poverty level.

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50s4ever

Jun-23-13 1:27 PM

Maybe those 20 something women discovered that there's no such thing as endless love, but there is endless assistance.

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50s4ever

Jun-23-13 12:50 PM

E verify. Wow. That HH couldn't straighten out Erie county so he was part of the African delegation? Have you ever been involved in anything successful Henry? You talk like a English/political science major who lost his job impressing sixth graders and is desperately searching for an audience who can be impressed by a sheepskin.

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Lilrud

Jun-23-13 12:07 PM

Jamestown, going rate now for migrant work is $9.00/hr. and no, local people will not do the work.

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HenryH

Jun-23-13 11:49 AM

[I just cannot resist. I do it for the tickle and giggle] - I think the jury is still out Lone, my dear friend. But, I think you didn't spend too much time on those history books, did you?

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HenryH

Jun-23-13 11:47 AM

Do a bit of research, Loney. Go to the WCA or any other program you wish. Assume that you are a 20 something woman with two children making $8.50 an hour (high for J'town). You have a high school diploma and very few family members locally. I am willing to bet that you will find it nigh impossible to care for your children and work. I'm aware of three people who have tried in the past two years. Capable, willing people who want to do for themselves. Go ahead, get off the couch and see if you can do it.

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