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Grants, Tax Credits Going To The Wrong Place

May 15, 2013

To the Readers Forum: I recently visited the Gateway Station, downtown Jamestown. To some it would be a work of splendo....

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BudZilla

May-15-13 2:32 AM

People enjoy spending others' money.

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imfedup

May-15-13 5:49 AM

Hey, if the money is 'free', why not. Oh, snap, I forgot to remember what my daddy told me, nothing in life is free!

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Maddog80

May-15-13 6:05 AM

That money could have been better spent knocking it down and giving a company incentive to come in. History is important but you can't save everything. Nys should not be in the business of old building hoarding....certainly not on the tax payers dime. Why not turn it into something that would create a revenue stream?

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carlaw

May-15-13 6:23 AM

I agree with the letter writer. Nice, but not a priority right now. It's another project where friends of the friends get to exchange money.

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Renaldo

May-15-13 6:39 AM

I can understand the author's statement but again, nearly the same amount of money would have been required to demolish the building, clear the area, and stabilize the embankment. I think I'd opt instead for a usable and historic building. I think the building's actual usage is not to be judged just yet.

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askwhy

May-15-13 7:35 AM

Jamestown is good at creating empty buildings. Driving down 3rd street is like driving down a street of a abandoned movie set. Lots of glass windows with nothing behide them. If it was not for foundation money JT would look like Detroit. The few entreprenuers who set up shop down there get little help fom city but lots of attention from Jamestown's finest, driving parons to other areas besides downtown for fear of the random stop and test policy.

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concernedcitizen99

May-15-13 7:44 AM

At present the writer is correct in the assertion that the station is being used for show-and-tell. Question needs to be asked to whoever is in charge of the station of why isn't there any businesses in there that would bring people and tourists to the area or at least to help pay the bill to keep the lights and heat on? What is the plan and when will we see more activity? Could be a great place for a restaurant, architect offices, etc. The longer it sits with no occupancy the more difficult it will be to get anyone interested in leasing space. It would not bother me so much if there was at least one business in there . But right now it is vacant and just used as a bus stop and show piece for a few special events. The longer the building stays vacant the more likely the writer’s opinion of “show-and-tell “ will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Please, whoever is in charge over there let the rest of us know what your plans are!

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copyman

May-15-13 7:47 AM

Yea, right.... the same amount of money to demo and stabilize the enbankment. There is a 100 ft. of land behind it and the railroad before any embankment. And, there is a concrete retaining wall already in place.... 10 million to demo? How stable do you think the railroad tracks are? Renaldo must be on the board. How much will it cost to demo the electric transfer station next door that is moving? 10 million? That will end up becoming a parking lot for the empty train station, using tax payer money.

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Jamestownite

May-15-13 7:47 AM

I'd rather see that piece of property helping to feed people than see it become just an old empty building that wouldn't be used much.

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KabobBilly

May-15-13 8:54 AM

Face it, most of Jamestown has a handout mentality.

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duckster

May-15-13 9:40 AM

The solution is simple: add another storefront that offers free meals. The clients can use their EBT to buy junk food, run out of stamps the third week of every month, then go there for food the rest of the month. Problem solved/

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ThoughtPolice

May-15-13 11:41 AM

Really Seadog? How exactly did you come to that conclusion? I may be new here but you and a few select others sound very judgmental. I think what they were implying "the property" itself could have been used to be a community garden utilized by various organizations.

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Jamestownite

May-15-13 8:14 PM

Lol Seadog. People like you thrive off of BS. No sense in arguing with someone with such negativity. No one can do right by you.

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Jamestownite

May-15-13 8:14 PM

Lol Seadog. People like you thrive off of BS. No sense in arguing with someone with such negativity. No one can do right by you.

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will1988

May-16-13 2:04 AM

i disagree with all of you that goes against the trainstation and yes there is businesses in there the down town developement and couple different offices is located in there and they said it was gonna cost 86 million to tearit down and cheaper to remodel it at 12 million and already have plans for the building as train exsurcions trying to put a passenger station back in and curiantly a bus station and using it as a reception hall so theres plans of use of the building so be quite and get over it i can hear the trains coming now listen to the horn and the steel bridge under third street bridge and now folcaner there it goes to randolf chooo choo trains bring in businesses and businesses bring people when trains were actually running through jamestown as a main stop there were well over 74,000 people working here once erie went down people moved south for business and work now there only 29,000 people here 10,000 on welfare 19,000 actually working because there no businesses

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will1988

May-16-13 2:07 AM

to help people get jobs and in order to keep money to keep there buildings maintained they have to layoff people raise prices and everything else to stay in business bring the trains back to jamestown people we really need them especially passenger trains they bring in the revenue

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Maddog80

May-16-13 4:18 AM

Hey will, I heard there is a new picture show this week down at the cinema. Did you listen to the baseball game last night? I heard Dimagio cracked a couple. Ma and Pa said if I help with the paper drive the weekend, they will buy me a new slide rule...........no one rides "choo choo" trains anymore!!! 4 people will get off that train every week....walk around downtown for an hour and then hop back on and never come back. Jamestown needs to stop thinking about tourism. We need industry! We need year round jobs and revenue streams! 86 million to tear it down???? Were they going to bubble wrap each chunk to save in storage?? Here is some cost savings....I will personally tear that place down stone by stone for a measly million dollars.

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Amtrakpax

May-16-13 4:37 AM

Maddog 80..."No one rides choo choo trains anymore" Well making this statement proves how much you know about trains. Amtrak has been breaking ridership records for TEN YEARS! Maybe it's the $4 gas...have you noticed? Or the decline in air service to small towns like Jamestown. Jamestown's air service is on pretty thin ice. It would be there without the Government EAS program. The fly the empty commuter planes to Cleveland. Nor do I hear you wanting to save money by ripping up the massive country road system. A real loser. The fact is the building is doing what it's surpose to do. It's a new center for events, and better place for people to use the bus services. One more transportation industry that's a loser without government help. Just like the road in front of your house. Industry will come back when gas is $20 agallon. It will be too expensive to import everything anymore like we do today. With 20 million new drivers ayear in just China $20 gas will be here soon.

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Amtrakpax

May-16-13 4:44 AM

When the trains disappeared from Jamestown it was a different World. The World of 20 cent gas, not $4. Over half the income of intercity bus lines and passenger rail was the mail and packages. Which were put on trucks by the highway people. That got control of the Post Office and Federal Government. We're lucky to have such a wonderful building. Or someday we will have to do what cities in Maine, Illinois and other states are doing that is build new ones at ten times the cost. Like Rensselaer, Syracuse and now Rochester and Niagara Falls. All are planning NEW rail stations! You see the ones they have are now too small! And the very old ones? They were torn down years ago. Which proved to be NOT very smart at all.

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Maddog80

May-16-13 6:15 AM

Torn down because they were delapidated. New ones built with major govt money. Those are much bigger cities than Jamestown and have people that frequently commute between those cities. The govt should stop investing in things like historical buildings. If i am on a strict budget, should i got ou and buy some antique that i dont need and the spend copias amounts of money to fix it up just because i think its a piece of history? No! A road itself may be a money losing object but the people who live on the pay taxes, the gas to drive on them is taxed....therefore there is some offset. I just think Jamestown is full of useless buildings. If no one is flying in or out of Jamestown, what makes you think they will take a train? Until there is something truly attractive in this area, other than Lucy(whom this next generation knows and cares nothing about) no one will want to come here.

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carlaw

May-16-13 6:18 AM

Will great comment, but punctuation marks would make it easier to read. :)

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HenryH

May-16-13 6:49 AM

For an economy to exist, there must be infrastructure. The Train Station may prove useful for the local economy. However, without entrepreneurs, there is no economy. Look at your facebook feed. How many of your friends were excited the Oliver Garden came to J'town? How many people are using J'town as a base for national or international business? Lots of people want jobs but few want to build an economy. So Seadog, what is your next business venture? I know AskWhy must be investing locally. How about the rest of you?

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copyman

May-16-13 7:07 AM

A person needs to get to Jamestown from NYC or Rochester to conduct some new business. Should I drive my 60k Lexus (fuel cost not an issue) or take the Prius.(50 MPG) or Fly because time is the issue. No, lets take a train which requires additional transportation at both ends. Now, tourists coming on the train means they have no money, cheap and most likely collecting benefits. You keep dreaming Amtrakpax about train service.

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FedUpL8ly

May-16-13 7:15 AM

All the people complaining about spending money restoring the train depot should derive a lot of consolation from the fact that "the money" was much better spent and a much smaller amount than what Obama has spent on his "green energy" fiascos. Or for that matter, it's a much smaller amount than what Obama has spent restoring mosques in foreign countries.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

May-16-13 8:35 AM

Same criticisms the Ice Arena had, I'm sure.

It's old hat. I was there two months ago and saw a concert. It is a beautiful place; why did it take the letter writer so long to learn the details (about no commuter trains)? We can barely get any to go through Buffalo.

If I recall, it cost 14 million dollars. That's less than $1 per NYS citizen for ONE YEAR.

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