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Get Rid Of Unfair Income Taxes

April 21, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: One hundred years ago, it was 400 pages. Now it totals 74,000 pages of rules and regulation....

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GioAllie

Apr-30-13 10:34 PM

even the righties are ignoring you---I read that somewhere........

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GioAllie

Apr-28-13 2:22 PM

see dawg--can we please get back to the topic? --You were flushed sat. morn. for your offensive comments including a religious slam--apparently that's a no-no--for the good of the blog---I suggest you be a bit more careful in the future.

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GioAllie

Apr-27-13 1:01 PM

maddog and see dog seem to have become silent as of late----interesting. Their "bantering" and "off topic" concerns havn't gone well for them......

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GioAllie

Apr-27-13 7:35 AM

maddog--you were saying.......

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50s4ever

Apr-27-13 6:27 AM

Were there any black churches in the country who didn't promote Barack Obama? I doubt it. Some are famous for inviting America haters to speak.

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Pharyngula

Apr-26-13 10:55 PM

"Phar, I don't have a parsonage. I rent an apartment." I didn't intend for you to give out personal information but as you have, your rent is paid with pre-tax dollars? Wouldn't trying to bring a end to a tax exclusion that benefits a small minority of the population be a good way to show your sincerity for making the taxes more fair?

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Pharyngula

Apr-26-13 10:04 PM

"“It is difficult to imagine a greater entanglement with religion than this evaluation,” he wrote in his brief for the court.

Moreover, “the parsonage exemption is a subsidy for religion” and is therefore unconstitutional, he argued. Current Congressional budget records show that the exemption has cost the government as much as $500 million in tax revenue a year, shifting that much of the national tax burden onto other taxpayers."

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Pharyngula

Apr-26-13 10:03 PM

NYTimes "Professor Chemerinsky studied the relevant First Amendment case law, especially the 1989 case Texas Monthly v. Bullock in which the Supreme Court had drawn the line at government’s granting a “tax break to those who spread the gospel that it does not also give to others.” He urged the appeals court to find the tax break unconstitutional.

Under I.R.S. rules, he noted, this benefit is available to all clergy members who administer sacraments, conduct worship and direct the spiritual life of a religious institution. “The government thus has to determine what constitutes ‘sacraments,’ ‘religious worship’ and the ‘spiritual life’ of a religion and then to evaluate whether the clergy member is sufficiently engaged in these tasks,” Professor Chemerinsky continued."

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apologeticsnow

Apr-26-13 8:51 PM

Lilrud, when you say, "At your STTPP meeting when Andy Goodell debated an empty chair. It seemed like a sermon to me. Did you not endorse Goodell?" how is that a sermon preached by me when Goodell is the one sitting there and his opponent refused to come? Secondly, it was not at a church but at the American Legion. So no church sponsored the event but it was sponsored by those who join together from any background for the freedom principles of the TEA Party. To insinuate that was sermon is a gross example of equivocation.

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apologeticsnow

Apr-26-13 8:46 PM

Gio, what Democrat has a clear personal platform for lower taxes, less regulation, balanced budgets, lower deficits, diminished or eliminated unconstitutional bureaucracies and less spending and views the meaning of the Constitution in its original meaning of the words?

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apologeticsnow

Apr-26-13 8:41 PM

Phar, I don't have a parsonage. I rent an apartment. The problem with the current system is that gopvernment picks and winners losers. I supopose even the parsonage exemption could be included in the winners package, along with the earned income tax credit and a whole host of other "winners" that government picks which far exceed whatever breaks a parsonage might get. I'm not at all in favor of window dressing whatever fairness government concocts for this bloated socialistic mess of taxation. Therefore, get rid of the entire income tax, the IRS and the 16th amendment as the decisive move toward justice in taxation.

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GioAllie

Apr-26-13 2:27 PM

I will stand corrected but I doubt that that the local tparty patriots endorsed, or voted for, a single democrat candidate, from local politics to the national scene.

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Pharyngula

Apr-26-13 9:47 AM

Snow: I have tried to answer the question you ask of me, yet you do not even try to answer the questions I ask you. So I ask again. Does the parsonage exemption lead to a flatter or more fair tax system? You write about unfair taxes yet are unwilling to explain how a tax provision that you could benefit from at the expense of others is fair. Didn't the founder of your religion give stern warnings against hypocrisy?

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Lilrud

Apr-26-13 6:39 AM

At your STTPP meeting when Andy Goodell debated an empty chair. It seemed like a sermon to me. Did you not endorse Goodell?

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apologeticsnow

Apr-25-13 11:50 PM

Sorry to Seadog for the misspelling on my part.

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apologeticsnow

Apr-25-13 11:49 PM

Lilrud, when you say, That's why you don't see churches say to vote republicans during a sermon, except for Mel of course, they know the rules," that's an unsubstantiated opinion on your part. Give exact time, place and date when that was ever preached.

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Lilrud

Apr-25-13 9:38 PM

Seadog, do you not see the distinction between saying you are for civil rights and saying vote for Mitt Romney? How about running a local Tea Party group with signs that say America vs Obama? It's the politicking for a party rather than a cause that he shouldn't do.

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Lilrud

Apr-25-13 7:44 PM

Well yes lone, that's the agreement. Once a religious organization promotes one party, they lose their tax exemption. That's why you don't see churches say to vote republicans during a sermon, except for Mel of course, they know the rules.

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GioAllie

Apr-25-13 6:58 PM

excuse me rev. but I believe you misspelled "see dog's" handle-------with all due respect.......5:38pm.

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Lilrud

Apr-25-13 6:09 PM

If I could offer a comment in response to seadog's and Lorne's question. It would only make sense to tax ALL religious groups the fair property tax amount wether it's Christian or Muslim or Hindu. I didn't see Monkeyboy wanting to make an exception.

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apologeticsnow

Apr-25-13 5:40 PM

lone, good comment for Monkey to repsond to as well.

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apologeticsnow

Apr-25-13 5:38 PM

Seadong, very good question for Monkey to answer.

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GioAllie

Apr-25-13 1:18 PM

great point-why are clergy treated differently than other lobbyists?

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Pharyngula

Apr-24-13 10:18 PM

Jefferson's letter to James Madison Fontainebleau, Oct. 28, 1785 the entire letter is worth reading.

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on."

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Pharyngula

Apr-24-13 10:10 PM

" Also, why didn't Jefferson put his idea into legislation when he practically reduced all interanal taxes to nothing?" You should get a bar of soap and wash out your mouth. Sheezzz I try to keep it clean and you have to bring in your sexual fantasies. Wash your fingers good too.

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