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Double Dipping Is Not Illegal

April 5, 2013

Let it be said, up front, Celoron clerk Shirley Sanfilippo has done nothing wrong. After retiring from the city of Jamestown, she was asked by Jack Keeney to serve as Celoron cler....

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ru4real

Apr-06-13 7:08 PM

Lol, I see the six Marxist disagreed with me , they must be Celeron's 50 percent, he,he,he

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TagURit

Apr-06-13 5:57 PM

Triple dipping = collecting state pension, working for a government entity and then collecting social security....what a way to collect CASH

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oldlady

Apr-06-13 2:50 PM

Just as a thought. If someone can retire and stay out of the job market that allows openings to be filled by other people who need a job to support themselves or family. My father, many years ago, was a firm believer that if you can retire you should and get out of the way for the next guy. I think so too.

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ru4real

Apr-06-13 8:48 AM

My two cents;;;;;;;; like Celeron Shirley, I've retired from Jamestown as police officer contributing twenty-five years to my pension with the city at the time investing in my retirement also for my service. When I retire the investments made by Jamestown doesn't continue to contribute plus I pay my own insurance premiums, and though I've been educated and stayed with same job twenty-five years the logic here is that I shouldn't be able to continue to work for public sector? this thinking is anti-American with socialist beliefs spread the wealth. Is it my fault 50 percent don't work or may not want to work or get educated or hold the same job for years? Please get all facts before finger pointing. Also a friend of mine retired from Air force now works for post-office, even though dedicated and educated many here would kick him to curb .What thinking?

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ru4real

Apr-06-13 8:14 AM

LOL, Celeron no history of, Captain de Blainville Celoron camped here 1749,Charles Wheeler Sammis first purchased and first named Summis Bay, later sold to Joseph F. Burtis renamed Burtis Bay until 1870's when Prendergast purchased incorporated 1896 and named Celoron since.(sorry no history of Celeron)

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matteson

Apr-05-13 10:27 PM

I referred to the official 2004-05 minutes how previous officials from Celoron had residents pay 7.35 per thousand with. Now residents are paying an experienced clerk part time wages and other good decision our local leaders are making we pay6.40 per thousand and a few of you no names are complaining? where is the logic?

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matteson

Apr-05-13 10:21 PM

rightside I said nothing about the 2010 census, I'm not sure about your confusion though? You need reading comprehension. Don't ramble, take breath slow down.

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SpeakingUp

Apr-05-13 8:38 PM

My neighbor recently retired and is drawing from the NY State Retirement system. He gave me a booklet showing the facts. It reads "Two sections of the RSSL -Section 211 and Section 212- affect your return to public employment. If you return to public employment you may still be able to collect your pension. If you are under 65, you can return to public employment without approval or reduction in your retirment benefit as long as your calendar year earnings are less than the Section 212 limit effective Jan 1, 2007 the limit is $30,000.00.There is generally no restriction on your earnings beginning in the calendar year you turn 65 unless you return to public office." This is straight from the State Retirement System. Hope it clears up the question.

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connersson

Apr-05-13 8:24 PM

I have been reading these comments all day and they make for interesting reading. First let me say that double dipping at this level is wrong. If her "wage doubles when pensions come into play" then that means she is making 62K a year from the taxpayers. That is wrong. Also if you want to continue as a clerk then don't retire in the first place. One thing not reported is that according to a friend of mine at the city she is still getting medical insurance from the city. One other observation- Matteson you claim that Slagle and Gertsch were found guilty of violating civil rights. Were they arrested for this? If not they could not be found guilty if they were never charged with a crime. Also when you attack them like this because of what they said aren't you trying to stop their freedom of speech? It just seems that you have a bone to pick with them and it has nothing to do with this topic. Obviously you don't want them to speak out but that is their right under freedom of spe

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rightsideup

Apr-05-13 8:07 PM

Matteson your CELORON census is the very one that the PJ is quoting from if that is negative then you must not like the facts. You really do not have YOUR facts correct. And for the record Mayor Keeney could have told you that it used to be CELERON.Look it up. If the former clerk is working for the government and collecting a state pension than yes she is double dipping. If she is working for a private business and collecting a state pension then that is not double dipping.The reason for this is because it is the taxpayer that is footing the bill for both if the person is collecting a state pension and working for the government.You say that everything is half now. That is probably a good thing since only half of the people in Celoron work for a living which according to the census is fact. Which half are you in?

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matteson

Apr-05-13 6:41 PM

Rollingthunder you have negative response on everything, if you would live in Celoron(not Celeron)you'd be happy that the taxes are cheaper now then 04-05 when they were 7.35 per thousand and paid a full time clerk (that now collects and works full time / double dips)with one to two part time assistance. We now pay 6.40 per thousand and pay clerk and assistant part time more then half what we paid the last two administrations. Lets see we get quality help , half the price, lower taxes, We the residents of Celoron actually are doing very well then!!

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woodpecker

Apr-05-13 5:06 PM

speaking up... you are confusing Social Security with the State Retirement System. No matter what her age, she has a max she can make before forfeiting her state retirement. Who says retiring then going back to work is "working the system"?

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RollingThunder

Apr-05-13 5:04 PM

50 % of the residents in Celeron are unemployed and the average wage is $27,898.00 no wonder that by the time they pay for groceries, fuel, utilities and the high tax you are imposing they can't fix up their homes. Really a $1000.00 pay increase. I wonder how many of the other 50% who are not jobless get that this year. SHAMEFUL!!!

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RollingThunder

Apr-05-13 5:04 PM

50 % of the residents in Celeron are unemployed and the average wage is $27,898.00 no wonder that by the time they pay for groceries, fuel, utilities and the high tax you are imposing they can't fix up their homes. Really a $1000.00 pay increase. I wonder how many of the other 50% who are not jobless get that this year. SHAMEFUL!!!

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SpeakingUp

Apr-05-13 4:56 PM

A person once they reach 65 can be paid under double dipping as much as the coffers will pay. In this case $30 grand was all the Celeron clerk could make so effidently she has passed that year age.

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ironyoozesfromyouryap

Apr-05-13 4:26 PM

"Don't hate the player, hate the game."

So you have no problem with anyone and everyone who games a system, eh?

I prefer to hate players AND games.

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KabobBilly

Apr-05-13 8:33 AM

I don't agree this double dipping is right, but why has the PJ decided to pick on Ms. SanPhilippo. There are thousands more doing the same in this county. Why is she singled out on the front page.

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woodpecker

Apr-05-13 7:44 AM

She is only allowed to make a max of around 30k per year if she is collecting a state pension. Also, no pension payments are required (or allowed) to be paid to the state, and her pension will never increase as a result of re-entering the workforce with the state. The max limit applies to all state workers and teachers. There is no limit for Superintendents and am not sure about police and firemen. Bottom line is that Celeron is getting someone that has a lot of experience for less money and is most likely saving money. The only downside is that someone unemployed doesn't have a chance to get the job.

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madman

Apr-05-13 7:38 AM

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Fight to have these laws changed. Same as when a teacher retires, but still substitutes every day.

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concernedcitizen99

Apr-05-13 7:21 AM

This is what is wrong with public pension plans and why our elected officials need to be more aggressive and get on their soap bax every chance they get. Though nothing illegal has occured it is part of the reason the the City budget is in the shape it is in. The one department (DOD) that should held accountable for tax base increase have an impact on increasing has one person assigned to this task while the police/fire salaires & pensions eat up a lage chunk of the budget. Too much money & time spent on keeping unions happy & low-mod income give aways that appeases voters and not enough energy devoted to attracting new business & industry.

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matteson

Apr-05-13 6:45 AM

Here we go again, a good man dies and the termites come out of woodwork. That being said, The paper forgot to mention that Jack hired Shirley as part time help without benefits with same work load/hours as previous clerk without the bennies the village paid previous clerk. I believe Rick's wife salary and benefits was close to 70k for four day week. LET's not let Gerch and rick call kettle black without throwing first stone. After all they were both in office and were found guilty of violating residents U.S. Constitutional right in Federal court!

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carlaw

Apr-05-13 5:33 AM

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khulumzurug

Apr-05-13 3:24 AM

triple dipping ok also.

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