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Letting Students Attend Ironmen Game Was Fine

February 6, 2013

To The Reader’s Forum: I have been floored by the amount of negativity that has been milling around the community in regards to our local school districts attending the recent local hockey game....

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Feb-10-13 12:22 PM

My issue with this is that when stu. dents are out of school to attend events for 4-H, such as judging contests, training seminars, cattle shows, etc. most schools count it as an unexcused absence. Yet school sponsored events such as this are fine. I question where students would learn more.

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Feb-07-13 3:43 PM

I sure hope each young person received a trophy of his or her choice. Maybe they could also have mom and dads ( if appropriate) names put on it.

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Feb-07-13 2:44 PM

Commercial spectator sports are entertainment. ENTERTAINMENT. Nice but trivial. We aren't talking participatory. We aren't talking even recreational. This is commercial spectator sport. It doesn't need or merit public institutional support. Ask some questions and follow the money.

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Feb-07-13 11:43 AM

Actually, I am a science and math geek. That's one of the reasons I enjoy sports. I think they can a great way to engage people in science and math. An interesting book (though too advanced for grade school/junior high) is Football Physics: The Science of the Game. And various player and game stats in sports are a new way to look at math for many kids. Of course kids should also visit the Audobon and Marshall Martz Observatory (so awesome!), but if done right a hockey game can be a wonderful learning experience.

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Feb-07-13 9:39 AM

@KabobBilly I don't think you realize that those teams go down to South Carolina to play due to the difference in weather. They are guaranteed good weather down there during the beginning of the season, while up here you never know. Also, everything from that trip comes out of pocket from the players and their families. You're an idiot if you think the school pays for everything.

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Feb-07-13 9:30 AM

The spoken stereotype of a true non-sports fan. Certainly there is merit in all the other events you speak of -- and schools DO typically take students to those places all the time. A trip to a sports arena teaches too. We sports enthusiasts are not on here saying all science/history fans are please don't tag sports fans and athletes as you have. Many of the best athletes from our area are/were also our brightest students. One learns in many different ways Trog.

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Feb-07-13 8:32 AM

I think I do enough on my own to promote local history and local history organizations already. I should mention the Martz Observatory, where I have no personal role, as another outstanding educational institution. Spectator sports is entertainment and grossly over emphasized in contemporary society to the point of monstrosity. It is the triviality that roars. Sports fans are drunk with delusions of its value and significance. They are as rational as people in love. This is an issue of priorities and proportion, i.e. allocation.

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Feb-07-13 8:24 AM

All those have been sharply cut back. Check it out yourself. This is an allocation decision. The Fenton and Audubon get "It would be nice if we had the money." The sports promoters get the money.

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Feb-07-13 8:22 AM

Troglodyte...Jamestown is known for ice skating and ice hockey. It's part of our culture AND heritage, so attending an ice hockey game meets 2 of your criteria...happy now? Certainly there is value in remembering our history. There is also value in learning about our present and future. Not all kids today are obsessed video-game losers. Maybe if some of the critics on this site stepped out of their own dark age to meet and connect with many of the intelligent young people of our community today, you wouldn't feel like society is headed for impending doom. Perhaps you yourselves could sponsor & coordinate a youth trip to Fenton or the planetarium instead of complaining that the schools don't do the change you wish to see.

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Feb-07-13 8:09 AM

@troglodyte: Not sure where you are coming from but, Jamestown district still has schools that go to Audobon, local farms, The Fenton, the Lakeview Cemetary, etc...... I know this from first hand, so maybe you could look into it in your school

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Feb-07-13 8:06 AM

Molly, I couldn't agree with you more. Some of my favorite high school memories were going to the old Memorial Auditorium to watch professional sporting events, during school time. Back then it was a reward for being on the honor roll. It was my first such trip as my family could never afford these things. I was in awe. It was a fun way to bond with classmates, see life from a different point of view, and a chance to travel to the big city. Due to a great, well rounded education, my financial position has vastly improved. And now I have take my own sons and their friends to sporting events all over the country. They are wonderful teaching tools and a lot of fun to attend. And education should indeed be fun. Thank you for being a teacher that values and engages multiple ways for students to learn, despite being criticized by those with a narrow, limited and negative view. Just remember, you're in the game, making a difference. Pay no attention to the critics in the stands.

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Feb-07-13 7:54 AM

The school can no longer send the children to nature areas, cultural events, or even support bonding to their own heritage with the Fenton History program, but it can send them to see a commercial spectator sport. That's entertainment, not education. When learning no longer has respect even from those entrusted to defend it, it signals an impending dark age.

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Feb-07-13 7:05 AM

I did not read all the comments as they all too often are nonsensical rants. I agree that parents ought to be teaching some of these things that are mentioned in the article but the fact of the matter is it doesn't always get done. There may be better options than a "violent" hockey game but in watching many of our local games violence is not the reason they are out on the ice - and I agree in comparison to other sports its not as bad as people make it sound. Some of the other options are likely too expensive to attend. I do believe that there are many other lessons to be learned by the excursion - perhaps even discussing our Constitution - specifically the First Amendment that gives us all the right to speak out like this. I remember a teacher from Bemus, Mr. Issaacson, use to take his class out to eat and teach his students etiquette amongst other thing - I believe that was an awesome experience - but perhaps we can now scold him for obesity in some of those students.

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Feb-07-13 6:44 AM

It's telling when commenters are adamant about spelling and grammar being qualifiers for a citizen to express an opinion on the education system.

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Feb-06-13 8:39 PM

What is the harm of taking kids to a sporting event? I sometimes wonder why I post anything at all on this forum. With all the grammar issues poor spelling etc., yet we still have comments on education. Jazzie, you must be about 150 years old with your comments. Why can’t we be more positive (after my outburst) but I digress. This forum could be positive …….

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Feb-06-13 7:58 PM

Uncletim - I put no value in written arguments from people who criticize education when they are unable to construct a simple sentence properly.

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Feb-06-13 7:36 PM

Imm not saying its a bad thing taking kids to a show or a hockey game is a bad thing all of my kids did the same thing but what I'm saying is go up to jhs after school watch some of these kids they will walk in the road and if you blow your Horne you get the finger or worse you can not tell me they don't because I drove school bus for Jamestown and seen what these kids do

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Feb-06-13 3:55 PM

The shame is that the hockey game is probably the only option. I remember the trips to the Zoo, Museums, and even Toronto. One of our favorite parts of the trip to through Buffalo was the smell from the steel plant. My youngest childs furthest trip was to the challenger center in Olean.

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Feb-06-13 3:09 PM

Thanks justsomegirl!!!

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Feb-06-13 2:08 PM

I also believe the violence in hockey compared to other sports is overstated.

Yes. I talk too much. ;)

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Feb-06-13 2:07 PM

"I don't know if taking kids to a hockey game - a sport known for violence between players - is good, especially to teach "public etiquette". Why can't this be left up to parents?"

Let me assure you, as someone who spent 14 years working in public libraries, that parents themselves often do not understand public etiquette let alone bother to teach it. I have literally been screamed at by a parent for intervening when her child was strangling another, smaller child. ("Boys will be boys!" she said. Uh, I guess? Right up until they're corpses.) Unfortunately public servants are now expected to teach and enforce it in public areas.

Yes, museums and planetariums (and libraries!) are wonderful, but sports also have something to teach. Also, exposing children to a wide range of experiences in a controlled, educational environment certainly teaches them more than just doing the same things over and over.

I also believe the violence in hockey compared to o

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Feb-06-13 1:24 PM

What I don't understand is the need to play softball, baseball or a musical instrument in Florida or South Carolina Etc.

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Feb-06-13 1:16 PM

what I may or may not make her do at home is my business, she also is top of her class as are all three children. She works and babysits also. I also have a very intelligent son who is a teacher! I'm talking particular trips and days off. I really didnt see the need to go to Erie today for a basketball game either. I agree on taking them to some place they'll take something away from. Not telling them bring your ipod or something. Quite the waste of time.

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Feb-06-13 1:10 PM

duck even though you're being sarcastic that's not a bad idea lol.

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Feb-06-13 12:14 PM

I contend that the school should take them ice fishing. Most alpha males such as myself see this as a rite of passage.

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