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Weapons Ban: Hearings Should Have Been Held

January 16, 2013

Will the state Legislature’s assault weapon ban actually keep assault weapons from those who shouldn’t have them? It’s hard to say....

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 12:54 AM

a precursor to 2016?

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carlaw

Jan-16-13 4:46 AM

It's not about guns. Its about control.

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carlaw

Jan-16-13 4:46 AM

It's not about guns. Its about control.

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Digger

Jan-16-13 6:59 AM

Cuomo wants to be our president.

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Larry1

Jan-16-13 7:32 AM

I will never vote for him after this mess!!!!

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fulcrum3

Jan-16-13 8:11 AM

I will not vote for Goodell or Young again. This a question of humanity. The 2nd Amendment is still intact. Love the stall tactics. Imagine after he death and injuries caused by the Jarts game if we had a mourning period after the accidents where we didn't talk about it out of respect for the victims. Then we held hearing after hearing delaying the remedy. After all Jarts don't kill, careless kids kill!!!

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Seadog

Jan-16-13 8:58 AM

Why nothing in this law about using a gun in a crime. 25 yrs to life, AUTOMATIC, for anyone using a gun during the commission of a crime. No, don't punish the criminal, just the law abiding taxpayer.

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Howard

Jan-16-13 9:44 AM

If you had listened to the governor's reason for bypassing the three day waiting (discussion) period then you should understand why he had to do it. The assault rifles and large clips would have been flying off the shelves in those three days - the very thing he is trying to stop. Also, how can anyone disagree that an assault weapon be kept in safe storage? Are you saying it should just be lying around the house loaded? Reporting a stolen gun makes perfect sense also. What is the argument against that? I would like to hear specific arguments on these and other points of this letter. Not vague "it's my second amendment right". In that case everyone could have bazooka's and my first amendment right could include yelling fire in a theatre. The constitution has always been open to interpretation. That is why we have a Supreme Court.

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fulcrum3

Jan-16-13 9:55 AM

I'm for sensible and responsible gun restrictions. Their is no need for assault weapons in our society. And I VOTE!

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Pharyngula

Jan-16-13 10:26 AM

Seadog maybe read the law before commenting,

"New and Enhanced Criminal Penalties

Several sections of the bill create new and enhanced penalties for illegal gun use. Sections 33 through 36, known as "Mark's Law," will include the intentional murder of certain first responders in the Class A-1 felonies of murder in the first degree and aggravated murder. The mandatory penalty for a conviction of aggravated murder is life without parole."

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Pharyngula

Jan-16-13 10:28 AM

"Section 45 creates the crime of aggravated criminal possession of a weapon, a Class C felony, which is committed when one possesses a loaded firearm under ? 255.03 of the Penal Law and also commits any violent felony offense or a drug trafficking felony. The minimum mandatory sentence is 5 years."

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Pharyngula

Jan-16-13 10:30 AM

"Section 32 amends Penal Law ? 120.05 by adding a new subdivision 4-a to create the crime of assault in the second degree when a person recklessly causes physical injury to a child by the intentional discharge of a firearm, rifle or shotgun.

Section 43 amends Penal Law ? 265.17 to include criminal sale or disposal of a weapon by providing a firearm, rifle or shotgun to a person knowing he or she is prohibited by law from possessing such firearm, rifle or shotgun. The penalty is raised from a Class A misdemeanor to a Class D felony."

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Seadog

Jan-16-13 10:57 AM

Sorry phary - "Section 45 creates the crime of aggravated criminal possession of a weapon, a Class C felony, which is committed when one possesses a loaded firearm under 255.03 of the Penal Law and also commits any violent felony offense or a drug trafficking felony. The minimum mandatory sentence is 5 years." Means nothing. That "5 years" would be plea bargined to a year or so and or time served. Has nothing to do with "25 yrs to life, AUTOMATIC, for anyone using a gun during the commission of a crime".

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Seadog

Jan-16-13 11:01 AM

Oh and phary - It's going to be cold tomorrow and it will be dark by 6:00. I'll wait for your rebuttal.

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bobbybill

Jan-16-13 11:01 AM

"It's not about guns. Its about control" sorry carlaw simply not true. I watched a video of one of the nut case gun guys going on about how" the governments coming for him and he is about an inch from startin in to killing people to stop this dictatorshi" its crazies like this that give all gun owners a bad name. No one wants your guns, as you guys have repeatadly stated its in the constitution!! Its about some common sense regulations, training and restrictions on what kind of guns. A big part of the problem is mental health being put on the back burner by our insurance companies and HMOs, guess what? they pay very little for people suffering from this problem...from the looks of it a lot of gun owners suffer from paranoia and extreme feelings of persecution. Why is it the Dems talk about "assault weapons and regulation" and some how you crazies hear "govermint comin fer our guns"

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bobbybill

Jan-16-13 11:02 AM

Seabisquit, I quit reading your replys at all...just hit disagree...LOL

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 11:13 AM

jarts? are you serious? l m a o!

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Pharyngula

Jan-16-13 11:15 AM

Seadog"Why nothing in this law about using a gun in a crime." You want more severe penalties for gun crimes? Fine just say that. Don't start out by saying something clearly untrue. Thanks for the weather report, it adds to the discussion.

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 11:17 AM

if you would've listened to comrade cuomo you would understand why it had to be done behind closed doors in the dead of night. for the same reason why the downstate paper stopped releasing names of pistol permit holders. public outrage. not what howard goebbels tells you. if the "assault rifles & large clips" would've been flying off the shelves those days maybe that would help offset some of remington's losses. they only employ 1k people in herkimer county. here's how the "assault rifles & large clips" comment is irrelevant. if you read the new provisions ALL "assault weapons" owned before enacted will be grandfathered but must be registered. howard if you read the law you would've seen that purchasing "large clips" would OBVIOUSLY be an exercise in futility as gun owners would have 1 year to sell them out of state as they are now illegal. lol duh.

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 11:18 AM

"Also, how can anyone disagree that an assault weapon be kept in safe storage? Are you saying it should just be lying around the house loaded?"

apparently you know absolutely ZERO responsible gun owners!!

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 11:20 AM

hey howie how about the 5 year recert process??

since you seem to be an expert on the bill please advise the rest of the readers what the 5 year recert process will entail. we ALL know it will entail renewal fees (hoooray NYS hoovers more $$ from pockets) but will there be psych evals every time? what else will the recert process entail?

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formerlyphil

Jan-16-13 12:40 PM

riderrr in BHOs defense at least is putting his proposals forth to the american populace. whether or not he uses executive order on any or many remains to be seen.

but at least he's giving everybody an idea of what may or may not go down.

which is FAR more than i can say for andy "HUD" cuomo!!

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bobbybill

Jan-16-13 1:02 PM

Mandatory background checks for all gun buyers. A ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips. More money for mental health. Stronger enforcement of the laws currently on the books.

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bobbybill

Jan-16-13 1:05 PM

by the way Phil, when lone says you are "right on" its not necessarily a good thing.

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bobbybill

Jan-16-13 1:06 PM

is all about the religous fringe right gun owning paranoid conspiracy theory economic terrorists phil. In afghanistan they call them the Taliban

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