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The Hall Chronicles

POSTED:Sun, October 26, 2008 @ 1:48AM

WHO DEFINES MARRIAGE?


The California Supreme court in a 4-3 decision in May of this year overturned the state's ban on gay marriage. The court’s 121-page ruling said that the right to marry in California extends equally to all, gays and straight alike. In anticipation of the ruling, conservative religious groups quickly submitted more than one million signatures on petitions to amend the state constitution to ban same-sex marriages. The measure will appear as Proposition 8 on the November 4 ballot and is expected to pass despite opposition from major political figures and companies like Google and Apple. But, the question is advanced: Who gets to define marriage and its terms?

The earliest “marriages” may have been mythical or ritual sexual acts connected to fertility as described by the Ancient Greeks, but there probably has always been, even in pre-history, some sort of ritual connected to cohabitation. Most religions prescribe marriage rituals and marriage is a Sacrament inside the Christian Church. Although state laws govern marriage, the Church has assumed near exclusive guardianship of the marriage franchise and has generally defined the terms and conditions not only of marriage but also of divorce. There are few instances where the “wall of church-state separation” has been so completely ignored than in shaping governmental policy for marriage and divorce.

The idea that marriage should be anything other than a union between a man and woman was hardly on the radar screen before 1950 when the subject appeared on the cover of a Hollywood magazine. It was not until the latter part of the Twentieth Century, however, that the subject of gay marriage erupted in a colossal explosion across the country. The late Reverend Jerry Falwell railed against homosexuality but was particularly harsh in condemning gay-marriage. He openly argued that gay-marriage opened the door to child brides, pedophilic matches, incestuous relationships, plural spouses and legalized bestiality, but opposition is hardly limited to southern evangelicals. Although arguments that gay-marriage will in some way diminish marriage as an institution, that idea is fatally flawed by the actual divorce rates among heterosexuals. However, the suggestion that two women or two men should become united in marriage continues to send shockwaves across the country.

The Catholic Church has been equally dismissive of gay-marriages worldwide, but has lost the argument that procreation between males makes it impossible to follow the scriptural admonition to go forth and multiply. The possibility of male-to-male procreation no longer remains any more of a scientific curiosity than it is for scientists to achieve the speed light. Science knows how to accomplish both and it’s only a matter of time before scientists somewhere, South Korea maybe, mixes skin cultures from two males in a Petri dish, implants the developing cells into an artificial uterus and grows a human being much like a potted plant. One day, probably sooner than we care to believe, that will be the preferred method of pregnancy for women over the more familiar, but cumbersome incubation process.

Regardless only two states, California and Massachusetts, allow homosexual marriages and Proposition 8 is expected to carry the day in California. Some vocal opponents like former Congressman Tom Delay (R-Texas) insist that the issue of gay-marriage is not a close call. Twenty-six states have a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to one man and one woman and 19 states have adopted laws through state legislatures to restrict marriages to one man and one woman. But, the question is not whether marriage should be extended equally to all, of course it should and people of every political persuasion should demand equal treatment.

Marriage has benefits; inheritance, rights of title and an assortment of common rights taken for granted between heterosexual couples. I know a common-gendered couple that has been together for more than 40 years and it is a matter of extreme cruelty that as they advance in years one or the other might legally be denied hospital visitations. Although the state should reasonably limit marriage by age and legal consent, the state should never tell a person whom to marry.

However, despite ballot initiatives, despite TV evangelists, despite pandering politicians and despite religious opposition, same-sex marriage is here to stay. There is no greater evidence of that than the August announcement by Hallmark Cards that the company is releasing a series of same-sex wedding cards.. NOTE: Connecticut became the 3rd state to Approve same-sex marriage-Oct 10-08 in a 4-3 ruling by the State Supreme Court.

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Marine
11-03-08 4:07 PM
DavidCard,

Nothing changes with you. Still lying, still making up allegations. Still cannot prove what you say. This is you...the sun is not round! The sun is not hot! We do not breathe oxygen! Trees do not grow vertically! That is how ridiculous your arguments sound.

DavidCard
11-03-08 9:22 AM
I think your homophobia is pretty clear to everyone but you, Marine. I suspect you're feigning ignorance though, why else would you be using an alias to post this garbage.

NYNana
11-02-08 2:13 PM
My God, how childish and judgemental you are both acting. Doesn't the Bible say 'judge now, least ye be judged?'

Gay relationships and marriages are here to stay, as long as it doesn't affect one directly, why worry about it. Personally, I wish them well and love and happiness.

Breathe people and stop judging.

friendlier
11-02-08 1:31 AM
"I do not think that gay people are unnatural. I think that God made everyone the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do not agree with it, but that is just me.:

Headline: MARINE SAYS DOESN'T AGREE WITH GOD ON CREATION OF GAYS

Marine
11-02-08 1:15 AM
HEADLINE: FRIENDLIER DOESN'T AGREE WITH GOD ON THE CREATION OF PEDOPHILES!

Marine
11-02-08 1:14 AM
HEADLINE: FRIENDLIER DOESN'T AGREE WITH GOD ON THE CREATION OF CHILD MOLESTERS!

Marine
11-02-08 1:11 AM
Friendlier,

You apparently have no knowledge of Christianity. Have you ever read the bible? Have you ever taken classes on the subject? Let me guess...you are going to say you have. NOT! God gives men the choice to do whatever they want. Man can sell drugs, molest children, rape, murder, steal, etc...

He also gives man the ability, knowledge, reasoning, and willpower to know what is right and wrong, good and evil, etc...

Let me guess, you are pro-choice. Are you? If so, so you disagree with God on the creation of pro-lifers?

You make one of the most absurd arguments I have ever heard. Get a clue.

Marine
11-02-08 1:06 AM
Friendlier,

Your statement is ridiculous. So, we are not allowed to disagree on things? God gave us free will for no reason? So, regarding almost everyone on here, the headline could be: DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS (DAVIDCARD, GALOOT, FRIENDLIER) DO NOT AGREE WITH GOD ON CREATION OF BIGAMISTS, POLYGAMISTS, INCEST, MURDERERS, RAPISTS, PEDOPHILES, SEX OFFENDERS, CHILD MOLESTERS, ETC...

We are apparently not allowed to disagree with God on these? So, you are for them? You are a despicable, evil person. How can you possibly be for child molesters, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, etc...? How can you live condoning such evil acts?

By the way, God makes everything that exists. He makes drug dealers, but it does not mean I have to agree with it.

Marine
10-31-08 5:48 PM
DavidCard,

I could just make up false accusations about you too. You are racist. You hate black people. You hate people in the military. Why do you hate black people? Why are you a racist? Why are you afraid of military people?

Marine
10-31-08 5:46 PM
DavidCard,

You still do not get it do you? It cannot be explained any easier. NO ONE has used these other arguments to discriminate against gays. Others are using the gay marriage issue as an example why THEY should not be discriminated against. Who has used these arguments to discriminate against gays? I have NEVER said anything discriminatory against gays. Who has said anything on here discriminatory against gays? The only people on here that have been discriminatory are you, Galoot, Friendlier who have said that others do not deserve the same rights as you claim to want.

And again, you still call me a homophobe when I am not. Why is that? Do you just enjoy making up false claims? Or, do you just enjoy lying? Why in God's name would I be afraid of gay people? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard you say. What is there to be afraid of?

DavidCard
10-31-08 9:25 AM
I don't believe I've condemned bigamy or polygamy in any of my posts. I've objected to using those things as a reason to justify discrimination against gay people. It's illogical since they have nothing to do with one another and bringing them up in this context is the very definition of homophobia - the irrational fear of gay people.

Eathen
10-31-08 1:25 AM
Hi, This is really a nice article to read but I don't agree with polygamy, insect and bigamy.I agree with Galoot as it's hard to distinguish between generalizations and specifics, but you can still learn.Anyways thank you for sharing this article.

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Eathen
10-31-08 1:23 AM
Hi, This is really a nice article to read but I don't agree with polygamy, insect and bigamy.I agree with Galoot as it's hard to distinguish between generalizations and specifics, but you can still learn.Anyways thank you for sharing this article.

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Marine
10-30-08 11:32 PM
DavidCard,

In one post you sound actually grown up, then in the very next one you sound like a child. What is up? Please explain to me what makes me a bigot? I am not one of the many on here saying gays deserve individual rights, but bigamists, polygamists, etc...do not. Who is the bigot?

Marine
10-30-08 11:29 PM
DavidCard,

Thanks for answering my question. Now, since you say that you have no problem with people doing what they want in private, why all the fuss, name calling, and condemnation for bigamy, polygamy, etc...? What made you do a 180 so quick?

As far as your question, no, I do not think that gay people are unnatural. I think that God made everyone the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do not agree with it, but that is just me. And to answer the other question, no, I do not think gay marriage is the same as human animal marriage. That would be ridiculous.

DavidCard
10-30-08 7:10 PM
Actually, Marine, forget I asked. The kind of bigotry you express on this blog runs deep in the veins, I'm not going to change your mind. But, I think in your heart you know it's wrong, that's why you post it using a pseudonym. I also know in my heart that there's nothing wrong or unnatural about my relationship and we deserve the same respect, rights and responsibilities as everyone else. It will happen. We'll never give up.

DavidCard
10-30-08 4:52 PM
As long as it's not hurting anyone else, I have no problem with consenting adults doing whatever they want in private, free of government intrusion.

There's your answer. Now answer mine.

Do you think gay people are unnatural. Do you think gay marriage is the same thing as human/animal marriage?

Marine
10-30-08 3:46 PM
Obama and Biden,

Now here are two who are not for overthrowing the American way of life. I mean having a mom and mom or dad has been the American way of life. Having no religion has been the American way of life. No guns...that has been the American way of life. Having higher taxes...yep, that is the American way of life. Bigger government and more government regulation/involvement...that is definitely the American way of life. More government spending...the American way of life. Socialism...Oh yeah...I forgot that is totally the American way of life.

You need to go take some classes on U.S. History, government, the Constitution, etc...

Marine
10-30-08 3:39 PM
Yeah,

Palin wants to overthrow the American way of life. She is for having a mom and dad. She is for religion. She is for guns. She is for throwing corrupt politicians out of office. She is for cutting wasteful spending. She is for smaller government. She is for lower taxes. She is for winning a war. She is for helping special needs children. The list could go on. Yeah...the nerve of her.

Did you go to school? Did you graduate? Have you ever taken U.S. History or government classes? I could have sworn that our founding fathers were for small government, low taxes, guns, religion, etc...

Marine
10-30-08 3:32 PM
DavidCard,

Galoot at least had the guts to answer my question. How about you? Should all have individual rights? Should other groups of people have same rights that you claim you should have? If so, then you are close-minded to say you should have the right, but not them. If you say no, then you are a hypocrite.

Marine
10-30-08 3:26 PM
Friendlier,

Your post is ridiculous! Apparently, you need English comprehension classes along with DavidCard and Galoot. What I am comparing is exactly comparable. Gays state that they have the right to marry who they want. They state that they are in loving relationships and are not hurting anyone. There are other groups that make the exact same argument. That they have the right to marry who they want. That they are in loving relationships and not hurting anyone. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND now? If not, you need to go back to school also.

However, your post puts murder, rape, terrorism, and Sarah Palin in the same post. All of which have nothing to do with gay marriage. Please tell me how murder, rape, terrorism, and Sarah Palin relate to gay marriage. Who is the one that is comparing apples and oranges? You are a hypocrite as well.

Marine
10-30-08 3:18 PM
DavidCard,

Also, because you have trouble with comprehension of English, let me point out you might want to reread my post. No where in my post did I say being gay was unnatural. Please point out where I said that. What I wrote (again in English) is that I think bigamy and polygamy are more natural than homosexuality. In creationism that is so. And, in evolution that is so. Watch the Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, etc...sometime, and you will see this. Most all species of animals mate with more than one of the opposite sex. However, there are not many animals that mate with the same sex (if any). This is basic elementary science.

Marine
10-30-08 3:12 PM
DavidCard,

Again, you are straight out lying. And, again, you are in the need of English comprehension classes. Boy, you really need to go back to school. Let me explain this for you again. I DID NOT equate homosexuality with the marriage of animals. You definitely have trouble with reading. Let me say again, IN ENGLISH, I am not relating gay marriage to marriage to animals. Did you get that? (it is in English).

Let me again also say that OTHER GROUPS have stated that if gays have the right to marry who they want, then other groups do to. Why does a gay person state that it is okay for them to marry who they want, but it is not okay for others to marry who they want. You are close-minded and a hypocrite. Other groups use the exact same argument that gays use, but according to you that is not legit. That makes you a hypocrite.

DavidCard
10-30-08 10:00 AM
Thanks, Friendlier, you are exactly correct. It's comparing apples and oranges.

Marine, the proof of your homophobia is in your comments. Equating gay marriage to relations with animals is homophobic. Calling homosexuality unnatural is homophobic. My relationship has nothing in common with those things. It's offensive to me personally and a lot of other gay people in committed, loving relationships.

friendlier
10-30-08 1:23 AM
There was a point in US history when black slaves could not marry unless they had permission from their owner. The idea of blacks being able to choose who to marry was considered outrageous and was against the law. One argument used against the abolition of slavery was that if it were banned farmers would next lose the ability to own their own livestock. The absurdity of connecting one with the other is obvious. It's the same argument that Marine is using. If one is so myopic to link gay marriage with incest, polygamy, or marrying a monkey why not add murder and rape to the list too? How about terrorism or the overthrow of the American way of life? Oh wait, Sarah Palin is already there.

Ridiculous.

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